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South Korea to ban music over 120bpm in gyms, in response to Covid spike

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Re: South Korea to ban music over 120bpm in gyms, in response to Covid spike

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Post by sofixa »

hntrowaway837 wrote: post #57
sugardough wrote: post #50

South Korean here and I just wanted to add some thoughts. The real reasoning for the ridiculous ban is because they've been shutting down the gyms whenever the numbers spike but can't anymore because the business owners are in a desperate state because of the prolonged shutdowns. So it's their way of saying please don't to the gyms while avoiding a total outlash from the gym owners. Obviously how well we're managing…

Out of 51.7 million people, SK has had about 2000 covid deaths. How could SK have been anywhere near "total medical system collapse"?!

It was never about deaths, it was always about number of hospital beds. If hospitals are over capacity, many people will die of covid and other curable and preventable things. Think Italy or Bolivia(?) in the beginning of the pandemic, with people literally dying on the streets.

Re: South Korea to ban music over 120bpm in gyms, in response to Covid spike

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Post by sofixa »

hntrowaway837 wrote: post #84
kube-system wrote: post #76

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I'm not sure how I am expected to answer that question without knowing which country you are asking me to compare.

If you need to know, France. I live in Paris, people here are very docile and obey the rules.

Bullshit. People obeyed the first lockdown when everything was chaotic but since then it's been pretty hit and miss. People in the metro with no masks/mask under the nose, flouting of curfews, etc. If i had to guesstimate, around 20-30% of people didn't respect the social distancing and related measures.

Source: live in Paris

Re: South Korea to ban music over 120bpm in gyms, in response to Covid spike

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Post by sofixa »

hntrowaway837 wrote: post #68
yongjik wrote: post #63

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Are you going to argue that Americans were much healthier (or, maybe, Koreans were much less healthier) six years ago? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Middle_East_respiratory_s... Government response is a critical part of handling these diseases. We just spent a whole year running this experiment globally.

My government had a very prompt response with some of the harshest lockdowns, and I observed people respecting the rules. I can't not believe my eyes.

That was only the first time, and only after the virus was everywhere. SK reacted much more rapidly when it initially came to them.

Furthermore, Schengen. SK are for all intents and purposes an island, and everything and everyone must come by either boat or plane, which helps with control.

Re: South Korea to ban music over 120bpm in gyms, in response to Covid spike

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Post by hntrowaway837 »

yongjik wrote: post #101
hntrowaway837 wrote: post #57

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Out of 51.7 million people, SK has had about 2000 covid deaths. How could SK have been anywhere near "total medical system collapse"?!

You've probably heard of the parable of weeds growing on the lake. Every day it doubles, filling the lake in sixty days. When is the lake half full? At the fifty-ninth day. SK is having >1k new patients per day now - an exponential growth means you're much closer to "total medical system collapse" than it seems.

You don't know what room this exponential growth has. It could near saturation, at we've often seen.

Re: South Korea to ban music over 120bpm in gyms, in response to Covid spike

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Post by codezero »

samatman wrote: post #81
iaHN wrote: post #77

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I don't know about that. I received some negative comments recently for asking for evidence that wearing a mask, while outdoors, while socially distanced was ever effective. People still have their egos and identities attached to this, seeing disagreement as a personal or political attack.

Well, it wasn't. It's going to take awhile for people to go through all the stages of grief about how ineffective and intrusive many of the state interventions during this pandemic really were. Judging by the number of young, healthy, vaccinated people I still see outdoors in masks, it's still denial for a lot of them.

What's the downside for those people who choose to wear a mask outdoors?

Perhaps they just came from somewhere indoors and want to have an extra barrier to protect them from unconsciously touching their face.

The reason doesn't really matter.

Re: South Korea to ban music over 120bpm in gyms, in response to Covid spike

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Post by neom »

hntrowaway837 wrote: post #69
kube-system wrote: post #61

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Yes. To determine this, look at the total infection rate as well. South Korea is 329.92 per 100,000 people California is 9,712.28 per 100,000 people France is 9,002.09 per 100,000 people England is 8,004.18 per 100,000 people Finland is 1,772.60 per 100,000 people Taiwan, which also was hit hard by SARS... 64.13 per 100,000 people. These people have already been through respiratory epidemics in their lifetime, and th…

And what exactly did they do SO much better? My country wore masks, no social gatherings, distancing. What more?

I lived in South Korea 2019-2021. On top of what you said above, they have a very good very intense contact tracing system, in SK the phone/bank/government are pretty inter-connected, it's not difficult for the government to literally hunt down cluster infections and force people into quarantine, and they did. They sent out over sms the exact times and locations of places people who had covid visited, etc, etc. I think contact tracing, Koreans taking it very seriously, wearing masks correctly, actually social distancing kept things under control. Koreans a very good at following instructions when they decide to, and they do it diligently.

Re: South Korea to ban music over 120bpm in gyms, in response to Covid spike

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Post by [deleted] »

sofixa wrote: post #112
hntrowaway837 wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you need to know, France. I live in Paris, people here are very docile and obey the rules.

Bullshit. People obeyed the first lockdown when everything was chaotic but since then it's been pretty hit and miss. People in the metro with no masks/mask under the nose, flouting of curfews, etc. If i had to guesstimate, around 20-30% of people didn't respect the social distancing and related measures. Source: live in Paris

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Re: South Korea to ban music over 120bpm in gyms, in response to Covid spike

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Post by glennvtx »

metalliqaz wrote: post #75
glennvtx wrote: post #17

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It doesn't really matter what their justification might be, Threats of violence against people for listening to music is a trespass of basic human rights.

but that's not what it is. It's not a prohibition against music, it's prohibition against group classes set to that music. I presume anyone can listen to any music they please in private.

Semantics. Do you have a right to threaten a group of people voluntarily exercising together? Of course not. Since you do not have that right, You cannot delegate that right to another, which makes any claims of "democratically" derived law, invalid.
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