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Ethiopia's controversial mega-dam on Nile tributary

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Re: Ethiopia's controversial mega-dam on Nile tributary

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> all of them living next to the Nile or in its delta Your own heat map shows that this isn’t the case - they also live on the coast.

That’s ridiculous. The darkest areas of the map are quite literally all on the Nile or in the delta.

I don’t know what you think a delta is, but for example Mersa Matruh isn’t in it.

Re: Ethiopia's controversial mega-dam on Nile tributary

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> all of them living next to the Nile or in its delta Your own heat map shows that this isn’t the case - they also live on the coast.

> they also live on the coast. That's the delta.

What do you think a delta is?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nile_Delta

Re: Ethiopia's controversial mega-dam on Nile tributary

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The YouTube channel Caspian Report has a great video on this subject (with a lot more detail and context): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_8X8tbjqjg That channel's content is remarkably well-made and gives a great insight into geopolitics. I wish most YouTube content would be half as good as Caspian Report is.

I just listened last night on youtube to the talk Gyude Moore: “China in Africa: An African Perspective” Really phenomenal discussion. I felt like my level of ignorance about Africa is pretty incredible and especially from an infrastructure perspective.

The European powers really screwed over Africa. I think the general Western ignorance of the place is also a symptom of this.

Re: Ethiopia's controversial mega-dam on Nile tributary

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> things still are in such disarray so long after they retreated What is “so long”? Reading online, I see that Ethiopia was not fully colonized, but Europe/UK were attacking and meddling in its affairs even in the 1930s. What most of the West doesn’t realize, is that colonization is majorly impactful and leads to disarray for decades, if not centuries. Countries need time to stabilize, after being systematically dism…

Is this the case? This seems to take the view that pre-colonisation these countries were modern functioning states; and that it was the coloniser which "destabilised them". However this seems to be rarely, if ever, the case. Colonised countries were extremely pre-modern compared to coloniser-states, and as far as I'm aware, routinely the purpose of colonisation was to establish such thing as a functioning state -- fo…

>routinely the purpose of colonisation was to establish such thing as a functioning state -- for the sake of enabling trade and commerce to be conducted reliably.

That's just a polite way to describe looting a colony.

Consider the situation here, where the British got together with... a British colony... to claim near-exclusive water rights to the Nile. This is important enough almost 100 years later that Egypt is threatening war over it.

Re: Ethiopia's controversial mega-dam on Nile tributary

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It starts with a claim that is fundamentally false, though: the suggestion that Egypt's fertility rate is not dropping. I hesitate to call it a lie, because it could simply be that they have not looked up the numbers. But it is questionable when they took time to look up a population pyramid but neglected to look up the actual fertility rate over time which would have immediately invalidated the central pillar of a c…

You're right, its not dropping: its rising Egypt fertility rate 2006: 3.01 2018: 3.28 https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.TFRT.IN?location... Contrasted against neighbours Jordan and Saudi Arabia which show much more consistent declines and are now both down to aobout 2.3.

It rose for a few years, and has been declining again for years. Why do you keep misrepresenting this?

That you tried to make this about Islam, and now use Saudi Arabia and Jordan as comparison is just bizarre.

Re: Ethiopia's controversial mega-dam on Nile tributary

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One can argue about why the decline wasn't as fast, but the the comment I replied to misrepresented the development and then tried to blame Islam and Egyptian culture while pointing to muslim Bangladesh as a comparison, without addressing how Islam is relevant as a cause in Egypt but not Bangladesh. It's not a good starting point for discussing why. It gets worse when considering that had it not been for the few year…

AFAIK post-1989 Iran had a huge drop in fertility coupled with government intervention: " The decline was slow until the government population policy was reversed and a new family planning program was officially inaugurated in December 1989. Total fertility rate fell sharply after 1989, dropping from 5.5 in 1988 to below 2.8 in 1996, more than a 50 per cent decline in 6 years. The own-children estimates of fertility…

The economy grew rapidly following the end of the Iran-Iraq war. You'd expect to see a rapid drop as the economy recovered.

It is possible the policy changes also had an effect, but again the point is not that policy changes can't have an effect, but that we don't know.

Re: Ethiopia's controversial mega-dam on Nile tributary

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That’s ridiculous. The darkest areas of the map are quite literally all on the Nile or in the delta.

I don’t know what you think a delta is, but for example Mersa Matruh isn’t in it.

Marsa Matruh is like 60-70k? Egypt has 104 Millions. There are some in Matruh, Sinai, Port Said, or Sharm-Sheikh. But they are insignificant. The majority are living on the nile.

Re: Ethiopia's controversial mega-dam on Nile tributary

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How is Egypt a mess before the British came exactly? How was India a mess?

I'll assume you're genuinely ignorant and not asking rhetorical questions here. In which caseWikipedia gives a good starting point. Egypt: > Muslim rulers nominated by the Islamic Caliphate remained in control of Egypt for the next six centuries, with Cairo as the seat of the Caliphate under the Fatimids. With the end of the Kurdish Ayyubid dynasty, the Mamluks, a Turco-Circassian military caste, took control about A…

> India similarly, it's full of wars and empires and atrocities and disasters

But the British came in, and committed atrocities and enslaved the country. How is this a good change?

Re: Ethiopia's controversial mega-dam on Nile tributary

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post #117

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I don’t know what you think a delta is, but for example Mersa Matruh isn’t in it.

Marsa Matruh is like 60-70k? Egypt has 104 Millions. There are some in Matruh, Sinai, Port Said, or Sharm-Sheikh. But they are insignificant. The majority are living on the nile.

> The majority are living on the nile.

Earlier it was ‘all’.

Re: Ethiopia's controversial mega-dam on Nile tributary

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There are a couple of reasons this is unlikely to happen. A. The dam already contains more than 4.9 billion cubic meters of water. That along with the wet season rain will mean breaching it will result in catastrophic flooding of Sudan which will result in death and loss of arable land. Each day that goes on, the water level is increasing, after a some time, Egypt itself will face flooding. B. Egypt has powerful mili…

> And the Nile is not like the Amazon river in that it doesn't contain as much water. I don't understand what this means.

While they have similar length[1][2], roughly 6500-7000 km, the discharge from the Amazon is roughly two orders of magnitude greater, 4200 m^3/s vs 209000 m^3/s average.

There's also a lot more Amazon river to hold water.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nile

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_River

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