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Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by sellyme »

gruez wrote: post #27
lmm wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it really? If I visited a traditional physical shop, I'd expect the staff to be able to recognise my face, but I probably wouldn't want them to know my credit card number.

>I'd expect the staff to be able to recognise my face Right, but that ability is limited to them. If I want to opt out of the tracking, all I have to do is shop at another store, or wait until they forget. Worst case I can flee to another town. On the other hand the tencent surveillance botnet is (or will be) omnipresent. You won't be able to avoid it because they'll have cameras everywhere. >but I probably wouldn't…

> handing your credit card to the waiter at a restaurant is still pretty common

I believe this is one of those things that's almost exclusively an Americanism. Where I live (Australia) you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone that would ever eat at the restaurant again if the waiter tried to take their card.

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Post by Master_Odin »

tstrimple wrote: post #75
chillwaves wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not that I don't believe you, but Chinese teams compete at the highest levels of competitive gaming. There has to be some loopholes. Same goes for South Korea. Actually, China and South Korea are the two most dominant regions for many games.

I don’t think China is particularly competitive in e-sports relative to places like S. Korea or the US. At least for the few I watched (mostly overwatch, counter strike) China always struggled at the bottom of the list.

China is very competitive in the moba genre, like League of Legends and DOTA2.

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Post by saithound »

noduerme wrote: post #43
rococode wrote: post #23

For context, these are China's current restrictions on gaming for minors (under age 18): - Maximum 1.5 hours of gaming on weekdays - Maximum 3 hours of gaming on weekends - No games between 10pm and 8am (note that school typically starts between 7 and 8am) South Korea has similar types of restrictions, by the way. No gaming for minors (under 16) between midnight and 6am. I think Vietnam may have something similar as…

I had no idea such laws existed. That's pretty crazy. But then, this is a gov't that does not trust its citizens to raise their own children, or even historically to decide how many kids to have. When I was a kid in America, my parents disallowed videogames in the house. No NES or Genesis for us. On the occasions I'd go over to other kids' houses and play, I had no idea what I was doing. On the one hand, this seemed…

> But then, this is a gov't that does not trust its citizens to raise their own children, or even historically to decide how many kids to have.

The Chinese government is worse than most others, but not for this reason. All governments and societies make all kinds of "tyrannical" rules about raising children, in the name of limiting harm to children. This is no different.

In Germany, the government does not trust parents to home-school their children

In the US, legal adults between the ages of 18 and 21 can decide to join the Army, travel to exotic lands and die there. The same adults are not trusted to make the decision of buying and drinking beer.

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Post by anonymousacc1 »

Here we see an article in which a tech company is using AI in order to protect people from addiction. And we have the Western free-speech aficionados complaining about surveillance while their society is practically crumbling due to the freedom inherent in it (read drug abuse, social media addiction, sex, alcohol and porn addiction). They couldn't get themselves to wear simple masks during covid because of a requirement for freedom.

I am an Eastern-educated immigrant who lives in the West. Honestly, I believe freedom is important in a lot of things. However, allowing companies like Coca Cola, Heineken, Robinhood, Youtube and Facebook to operate in the name of giving everyone freedom is one of the worst decisions in the Western world. These companies have exploited human biases to an extent at which our freedom is a manipulated freedom which works according to how they want.

The Western concept of freedom above everything is a joke in modern society. It is based on the premise that everyone is smart enough to take decisions for themselves. However, due to inherent human biases, this is practically impossible. What this false assumption leads to is companies like Coca Cola, Heineken (or whatever other alcohol brands are popular), Facebook essentially ruling how we spend our time, money, health and energy. The Western concept of freedom above everything else is flawed

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Post by ezoe »

perihelions wrote: post #31

This is I believe the first time in human history that AI video cameras have been widely deployed, inside private homes, for the purpose of enforcing laws. Never mind the banal details: this is an incredible milestone.

Not inside the private homes, but in 2008, Tabaco vending machines with facial recognition feature to verify the age(20+ years old) are deployed in Japan.

The result was amusing. It was busted by picture of adult face, or by kids moving facial muscles.

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Post by rvnx »

ev1 wrote: post #101
perihelions wrote: post #31

This is I believe the first time in human history that AI video cameras have been widely deployed, inside private homes, for the purpose of enforcing laws. Never mind the banal details: this is an incredible milestone.

The chinese app wechat already does this in private homes for the purpose of enforcing KYC and "misinformation tracking" - you are required to repeat after it, repeat every phoneme/syllable to form a voiceprint (and coincidentally enough to basically train something to replicate your speech), look straight ahead, rotate around your head, and follow its instructions to sign in again. Also, asking two verified-ID mainl…

This verification process exists in Europe as well (it's called liveness verification), example: https://www.jumio.com/technology/live-detection/

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Post by jbluepolarbear »

andai wrote: post #100
jbluepolarbear wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish I didn’t look this up.

Could you share what you wish you hadn't found?

The treatment of the Uyghur people was the first thing that popped up on google when I search “re-education China”

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Post by agumonkey »

josephcsible wrote: post #35
rococode wrote: post #23

For context, these are China's current restrictions on gaming for minors (under age 18): - Maximum 1.5 hours of gaming on weekdays - Maximum 3 hours of gaming on weekends - No games between 10pm and 8am (note that school typically starts between 7 and 8am) South Korea has similar types of restrictions, by the way. No gaming for minors (under 16) between midnight and 6am. I think Vietnam may have something similar as…

> South Korea has similar types of restrictions, by the way. No gaming for minors (under 16) between midnight and 6am. I'm disappointed but not surprised that China makes rules like this, but I always thought South Korea was basically a free country and never expected this sort of rule from them.

It's been long since I talked to a SK guy, but around 2010 it was pretty obvious that SK was half western half eastern, and much more free than china (no SK person ever expressed anxiety or fear of speaking on internet, chinese people did so very rapidly)

that said .. i'm surprised about their laws, especially since SK a bit land-of-gaming

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Post by clydethefrog »

josephcsible wrote: post #35
rococode wrote: post #23

For context, these are China's current restrictions on gaming for minors (under age 18): - Maximum 1.5 hours of gaming on weekdays - Maximum 3 hours of gaming on weekends - No games between 10pm and 8am (note that school typically starts between 7 and 8am) South Korea has similar types of restrictions, by the way. No gaming for minors (under 16) between midnight and 6am. I think Vietnam may have something similar as…

> South Korea has similar types of restrictions, by the way. No gaming for minors (under 16) between midnight and 6am. I'm disappointed but not surprised that China makes rules like this, but I always thought South Korea was basically a free country and never expected this sort of rule from them.

South Korea was ruled by military rule until the mid 90s. Now instead of military leaders it's ruled by the chaebols, the large industrial conglomerates.

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Post by adflux »

saithound wrote: post #113
noduerme wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had no idea such laws existed. That's pretty crazy. But then, this is a gov't that does not trust its citizens to raise their own children, or even historically to decide how many kids to have. When I was a kid in America, my parents disallowed videogames in the house. No NES or Genesis for us. On the occasions I'd go over to other kids' houses and play, I had no idea what I was doing. On the one hand, this seemed…

> But then, this is a gov't that does not trust its citizens to raise their own children, or even historically to decide how many kids to have. The Chinese government is worse than most others, but not for this reason. All governments and societies make all kinds of "tyrannical" rules about raising children, in the name of limiting harm to children. This is no different. In Germany, the government does not trust pare…

>. All governments and societies make all kinds of "tyrannical" rules about raising children, in the name of limiting harm to children

No, they objectively don't, wtf. Stop normalizing this kind of behavior

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