The Next Car You Buy Should Be Electric • Hacker News Board

Re: The Next Car You Buy Should Be Electric

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Post by voisin » Wed, Jun 30, 2021, 1:24 PM UTC

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #43

roschdal wrote: post #8

Petrol cars have significantly longer driving range, which is important for transport efficiency. Petrol cars are significantly cheaper to buy. Petrol cars refuel significantly faster than electronic cars recharge. Petrol cars don't have a costly battery which degrades over time and pollutes.

I really really wanted to disagree with you and bash on ICE's. But then I thought about it and this article's guilt trip is the type of hostility against 'carbon emitting' consumers that is also part of the problem in our fight for survival (and for the survival of whoever is left behind after we are gone). It is the same lazy strategy as Coca-Cola making you feel guilty about not recycling the plastic they created o…

I think this is the key. The solutions should not be pushed onto individuals when the problems were created by companies and governments that systematically eliminated public transit in favour of parking lots and highways and sprawl.

Re: The Next Car You Buy Should Be Electric

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Post by Hypx_ » Thu, Jul 01, 2021, 4:17 AM UTC

mnd999 wrote: post #3

Still doesn't work for my use case. I commute on public transport, live in an apartment with only on-street parking, there is limited on-street charging but it's massively oversubscribed. Mostly I drive longer distances for hiking trips, weekends away music festivals, visiting family etc. Very few of these destinations have charging options. I've seen how this can work, I drove an electric Hyundai Ionic as a hire car…

The next stage is hydrogen powered cars. All of the upsides of electric cars but none of the downsides.

Re: The Next Car You Buy Should Be Electric

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Post by theshrike79 » Thu, Jul 01, 2021, 5:22 PM UTC

busterarm wrote: post #46

theshrike79 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My diesel and petrol cars really didn't like longer -30C weathers. The oil turns into mush and the poor 12V battery can't hold a charge. It was a roll of the dice every morning whether I could go to work each day. With an electric car, I sit in the car, press a button and it works. The cabin is hot within 5-10 minutes. Compared to my diesel, which started blowing hot air to the cabin around the time I was already at…

You had -30C winters and no engine block heater and battery tenders/jump kits? Electric cars only really work at sedan weight/form-factor right now. Most people who need to drive in extreme climates aren't really city drivers and typically need more capable types of vehicles to go with the terrain...if not all out industrial vehicles entirely. Heavy equipment like that isn't even viable with electric vehicles yet.

Of course I had a block heater. It did fuck-all for a 2-liter Turbodiesel engine when it was -30C outside for a few days.

Maybe if I kept it running all night, but most apartments only allow 2 hours of electricity on a mechanical clock.

Yes, electric vehicles aren’t valid for every single category yet, sedans and SUVs are the current leaders, maybe smaller hatchbacks too.

Re: The Next Car You Buy Should Be Electric

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Post by theshrike79 » Thu, Jul 01, 2021, 5:24 PM UTC

busterarm wrote: post #100

nickik wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Electric cars only really work at sedan weight/form-factor right now. Complete nonsense. SUV/CUV are by far most new models. All major manufactures have pick-up programs for next year. > Most people who need to drive in extreme climates aren't really city drivers and typically need more capable types of vehicles to go with the terrain...if not all out industrial vehicles entirely. They guy who has bought the most T…

> SUV/CUV are by far most new models. And are not work trucks. They also don't weigh much different from your average luxury 4-door sedan these days. Well-civilized places like you are talking about are not really extreme environments.

”Work Trucks” or pickups are a 100% American thing.

Aussies have their utes, which are like sedans with beds.

Europeans use either vans or trailers pulled by said vans (or sedans) for the same thing.