Nothing more jarring than the harrowing treatment of Assange by the US, contrasted with their subsequent lecturing and sanctioning of Belarus re Roman Protasevich, or Russia re Navalny. Zero integrity.
Has the US tried to extra judicially murder Assange?
Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment
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#112Stundin is a tabloid. Let's wait until this report is confirmed by more reputable sources before declaring Assange innocent.
Never heard of Stundin before, but it reads like a pretty well done report.
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#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
Could you share this decent evidence for us who haven't seen it before?
Wikileaks posted diplomatic cables without redacting the names or other forms of PII. Actual journalists from the New York Times, Der Speigel, Le Monde, The Guardian, and El País all signed a statement saying this was a gross breach of people’s privacy and potentially put these people in danger. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/sep/02/leader... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_diplomatic_ca…
Lol @ “actual journalists”
You do know there is no such thing as journalistic licensing or certification, right? They went to college. They have nothing above anyone else who break news because they are employed by a corporate outlet. That makes me trust them less actually.
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#114For someone who has not followed Assange news for a long time, what is the general accusation of his crimes? Is it just that he published secret material that he received from other sources?
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#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nope: https://consortiumnews.com/2017/07/24/intel-vets-challenge-r...
Yep. The Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity has members who have done good work for the public and the country. However, the memo referenced in your link did not even have the backing all the group's members and its arguments have been persuasively criticized. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veteran_Intelligence_Professio...
These results are debatable and inconclusive, which is the entire point. If you're going to accuse a sitting President of collusion, you had best have all your ducks in a row. Anything less can be perceived as, or even be indeed, partisan hackery.
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#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
Could you share this decent evidence for us who haven't seen it before?
Wikileaks posted diplomatic cables without redacting the names or other forms of PII. Actual journalists from the New York Times, Der Speigel, Le Monde, The Guardian, and El País all signed a statement saying this was a gross breach of people’s privacy and potentially put these people in danger. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/sep/02/leader... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_diplomatic_ca…
Panama papers were released with names by the same newspapers.
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#117Important to note that nothing Wikileaks has published has ever had to be retracted. They've told the truth to the public about governments, which is why they're targeted. In fact several Pulitzer Prizes have been awarded thanks to their efforts. They've never been shown to put anyone at risk either, a testament to their careful vetting process, showing that they're responsible too. This is clearly a political attack…
Both the leak of the DNC files, and the purported leak of files by a Putin critic, were found to contain numerous forged documents. ( https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2017/05/26/russi... ) In a heinous followup, Assange claimed that a murdered DNC staffer was the party responsible for the DNC leak...based on no evidence except Assange's bro-love for Donald Trump. ( https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/pol…
>Both the leak of the DNC files, and the purported leak of files by a Putin critic, were found to contain numerous forged documents.
Nothing in that article shows any evidence of tainted leaks in the DNC release. It claims some other leak had some tainted links, that they were carried out by the sane group, and that the Clinton team claimed emails were fake.
Wikileaks Twitter account has been full of madness, almost as if it was being run by someone suffering years of torture. That's a separate claim from the validity of the site.
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#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
Let's see your source for the claim that the GOP server was hacked
Assumptions are be made, yes. But my comment was not intended to be tribalistic -- shit's being hacked everywhere. https://www.wired.com/2017/01/russia-hacked-older-republican... https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/04/exclusive-emails-o... If WikiLeaks is about exposing corruption doesn't it seem like they'd do so across party lines? I don't trust either party but I also don't trust WikiLeaks to be operating witho…
You've provided nothing suggesting Wikileaks was offered the RNC hack and chose not to publish it.
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fair enough, he runs a so called "hostile intel svc"
Look. I’ve met Assange and he felt like an asshole. I also agree Wikileaks was used to manipulate an election in the US, but, from that to claim he runs a “hostile intelligence service” is a bit too much.
I haven't met him. You aren't the first person who has, who has said that.
But personality aside, I don't think it's reasonable to charge him with espionage and treachery. He can't be a traitor, because he's never been a citizen - he owes no loyalty. And he's no spy - he just reported the information that was given to him.
There are accusations that he failed to "redact". The fact is that a Guardian journalist that Assange trusted with the decryption key for a large part of the dump - a certain Luke Harding , published the decryption key. Assange felt compelled to publish the whole dump, so that vulnerable people would know that Harding had exposed them, so that they could protect themselves.
I think the extent to which the Guardian betrayed Assange is going to take a long time to come out.