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Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Developers can use their own payment systems, and MS take nothing. That's a bit of a kick in the teeth to Apple.

No.

It normalizes OS vendor maintained AppStores which is a huge deal for Apple. The only way to avoid them now is to install Linux.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Getting rid of tiles and similar seems like a substantial improvement, and might address part of people's complaints about Windows 10. The most important question, though: is Windows still "evergreen" with free updates, or will people have to buy Windows 11? The latter would mean we can't count on Windows systems being up to date. I was happily looking forward to the day when software could just support Windows 10 an…

yeah, no... I know a hospital that just upgraded to Windows 7...

That hospital is dumb and will likely face issues in the near future then. Win7 isn't supported by Microsoft since early 2020, which means no more security updates. Given hospitals are getting more and more frequently targeted by ransomware... Well, we'll see how that goes.

There's still win8 and win8.1 to worry about though, and win10 also has LTSC releases that stay supported for at least 10 years IIRC.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Putting the start menu button in the middle of the panel rather than at a corner seems to forget Fitts' Law. Is this a push to make people use hotkeys more or just bad design?

There’s a setting for left aligned, but Fitts Law is overrated for the Start menu. None of the apps on your taskbar have ever benefited from it, and you probably click those all the time, much more than the Start button.

Taskbar buttons absolutely benefit from Fitt's Law.

Fitt's Law says that the time required to interact with an element depends on both the distance to that element and the width/height of that element.

Putting an element on an edge (where the cursor cannot go beyond that edge) essentially makes it infinitely large in one dimension. Putting it in a corner makes it infinitely large in two dimensions.

Taskbar buttons in Windows (or menu items in macOS) do benefit from Fitt's Law, just not as much as items in the corners.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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So to summerize what they have announced (so far) - * A new look task bar. Centred similar to the macOS dock by default but lacking the ability to position on any other screen edge? * A new start menu design * Windows have rounded corners * Some built in apps such as the Xbox app and Microsoft Store have been redesigned (Xbox Game Pass and xCloud built into the Xbox app) * New touch keyboard (SwiftKey?) with improved…

I work on displays, AutoHDR and DX12 changes are coming to 10 as well (unsure about win7 or dx12on11).

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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post #40

Developers can use their own payment systems, and MS take nothing. That's a bit of a kick in the teeth to Apple.

Did something change? (Windows users/developers have always been able to use various distribution systems... likewise for macOS.

The change is that their current Windows Store is a tumbleweed wasteland with astonishingly little uptake, so Microsoft has offered some partners (I presume it's a subset or it'll just become a scam central) like Adobe to put themselves "on" the store, but not actually on it. Basically a package manager.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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So many questions… Will Win10 users be able to upgrade to Win11 for free or will they have to buy it? What’s the end-of-life date for Win10 now? Will the minimum hardware requirements be increased? Will this be used as an opportunity to make backwards-compatibility-breaking improvements? Are they actually going to fix the whole UI or just 80% of it and leave the remaining 20% as sedimentary layers of previous UIs? An…

Free. 2025. Yes, 32-bit CPUs are out. I guess with 32-bit mode so goes 16-bit support? Probably not to the last two?

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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I was happy with Windows 95 UI, really. Congratulations on incrementing a number and changing things so I'll be annoyed by a marginally different set of things? I can't raise to caring about something which should be done at this point. To some people it is important I'm sure but a lot of us just want the OS to keep doing the basics and get out of the way.

One of the biggest arguments I hear for using Windows instead of Linux is that people are used to the UI.

I've been using the same FVWM config and shells inside Xterms since I started using Linux 18 years ago, meanwhile Windows has gone through something like 4 redesigns.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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post #5

Putting the start menu button in the middle of the panel rather than at a corner seems to forget Fitts' Law. Is this a push to make people use hotkeys more or just bad design?

While it is a totally legit point, the macOS dock hasn't been corner aligned since OS X 10.0 too and it seems people got used to it. Probably not a big deal after all most of the time.

I feel like a more apt comparison would be moving the Apple Icon from the top left of the screen to the middle. That's a close enough analogue to what the start button did.
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