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Stress does turn hair gray, and it’s reversible

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Re: Stress does turn hair gray, and it’s reversible

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Wondering how is this related to vitiligo [a condition in which the pigment is lost from areas of the skin, causing whitish patches, often with no clear cause.]

That might be related to PABA.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-Aminobenzoic_acid, which is also associated with premature grey hair.

Since PABA is produced in the digestive system, it's possible that stress impacts eating/digestion in some negative way?

Re: Stress does turn hair gray, and it’s reversible

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My hair started graying pretty much as soon as I graduated from college. It makes a lot of sense now. Around the same time, I: - bought a house (in 2007, yeesh) - got married - started my first job (which at the time felt like drinking out of a fire hose) Shortly after, my wife and I went through the stress of trying and failing to get pregnant. Then infertility treatments for several months. Then my wife had surgery…

That is incredibly brave of you to share that and overcome all that. I had a similar time of buying our first house, starting a new job, having a baby and then losing a parent all within a space of 3-4 months just before the pandemic lockdown started. I lost a lot of my hair instead and now have a bald spot. Also lot of junk food and alcohol. Somehow I would have liked to keep my hair even if it turned gray :)

I had a really rough 2019 & 2020 - not including the pandemic. Multiple health issues in myself and my family + financial issues + the pandemic.

I am 45. Comparing pictures my hair at 43 vs 45 is unbelievable. Almost no white hairs in 2018. Today, half my hair is white.

I had so much stress that I had to create a sleeping video playlist on Plex to drown out the nightmares and get a full night sleep.

Now most of my problems are resolved - I'd really like my black hair back. I'm skeptical that it'll return to normal naturally. Do men color their hair with products? I look ridiculous - 15 years older than I really am.

Re: Stress does turn hair gray, and it’s reversible

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My hair started graying pretty much as soon as I graduated from college. It makes a lot of sense now. Around the same time, I: - bought a house (in 2007, yeesh) - got married - started my first job (which at the time felt like drinking out of a fire hose) Shortly after, my wife and I went through the stress of trying and failing to get pregnant. Then infertility treatments for several months. Then my wife had surgery…

It feels like so many people in North America are struggling with infertility. It is one of those topics that have been deemed too taboo to talk about which is infortunate.

I think we're all watching too much porn.

Re: Stress does turn hair gray, and it’s reversible

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Has anyone found good, long-term methods for stress management? I know I am stressed and I see the evidence - restless sleep, elevated WBC, worsening anxiety. I, unfortunately, haven't found a good routine way to manage stress.

I sleep listening to old TV shows with earbuds. It completely cured my sleeplessness.

I was having stress related nightmares and inability to sleep, and now I sleep 8hrs reliably.

I have a Plex playlist that I play on shuffle for 8hours. There's about 30 days of content so it keeps my dreams fresh. They are all old episodes of TV shows I loved when younger. I listen only - never watch.

It works because you hear a familiar and comforting voice as you sleep. Sometimes you dream about the show - which can be funny.

For daytime stress, I use the technique I learned in the marines. Deep slow breathing. Four deep slow breaths tricks your monkey brain into thinking everything is ok.

Re: Stress does turn hair gray, and it’s reversible

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The important bit - >> Reducing stress in your life is a good goal, but it won't necessarily turn your hair to a normal color. >> "Based on our mathematical modeling, we think hair needs to reach a threshold before it turns gray," Picard says. "In middle age, when the hair is near that threshold because of biological age and other factors, stress will push it over the threshold and it transitions to gray. >> "But we…

The part I’d be interested in is knowing the age when it could begin. I’ve had crippling amounts of stress when I was younger. I’ve even experienced quite a bit of stress in the last couple years. I haven’t noticed a bunch of new gray hairs at either time.

I’m wondering if there will ever be any easy to tell differences that will indicate if someone can have gray hair through stress or are immune to this condition. Being put in a stressful condition doesn’t seem sufficient to tell because some people seem to not be affected by this or maybe the stress level isn’t sufficient. How’d to gauge what is stressful enough for one and not for another?

Re: Stress does turn hair gray, and it’s reversible

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I experienced with the people I know, who adopted: the most easy for you would be - if the child is as young as possible. Preferably shortly after being born. There are of course many older children waiting for a real home - but in general they all bring their mental baggage with - so this can be really, really challenging.

There's a special place in my heart for people who choose to adopt older kids. It's not so much mental baggage as it is damage resulting from years of abuse and/or neglect along different axes of the child's life. There's real loss and trauma involved, and there's no way to erase it. The best you can do is help them cope and not take it personally when they lash out at you for what was done to them. These same trauma…

I agree very much. My parents worked as foster parents and I know some people working professional in the area.

(mental baggage was a euphemism)

There is so much going on, people from normal upbringing cannot imagine (and usually do not want to imagine).

Even the children who were not abused in one way or another, how can they develope a stable mind, when they have no stable surroundings?

Dragged around back and forth from instable "parents" to foster parents to various institutions and back. And out again. And then maybe adopted one day.

I would never blame the childs. (I find it also hard to blame their parents, as they usually had a childhood like this, or went down into drugs for one reason or another - always easy to judge from the outside - and they do get judged. Usually at a time when they simply needed help and not judgment - but they don't get help, but their children taken away)

So ... like I said, it can be very, very challenging to adopt a older child. I did not wanted to scare anyone away from it. If anyone feels like this is the right thing for them - do it!

Just don't expect it will be easy.

edit: note, that my experience may be a bit biased through the foster home situation, which is especially hard, because often the parents of the kids often wanted to have their kids back - so this pool is probably the hardest. But personally I would just want to see the child and see how we feel about it, if there is a emotional connection with the child. Older children can also be easier, by beeing already very independent. You also might end up being the hotel for a distant teenager. But that also happens with "normal" kids. You never know.

Re: Stress does turn hair gray, and it’s reversible

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Strange because I started turning grey in high school, my hair was "dishwater blond". My grandmother on my father's side said she too started turning grey in school and died her hair most of her life to cover it. Fast forward a bit, my daughter started getting grey hair around 18 years old. We had assumed when she was young it wouldn't happen because she had jet black hair, and that color most likely came from mom's…

Could also be genetics influence handling and side effects of stress.

Re: Stress does turn hair gray, and it’s reversible

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Anecdata, but I've witnessed re-melanizing of formerly gray follicles.

My wife tried intermittent fasting after reading some health claims about it. (i.e. autophagy). In the beginning I was skeptical.

After a month or so of intermittent fasts, her hairdresser noticed an obvious line of salt and pepper hair that was growing in brown at the roots.

I now believe the health claims of fasting have merit, and I hope future research can quantify the degree of benefits.

Re: Stress does turn hair gray, and it’s reversible

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is incredibly brave of you to share that and overcome all that. I had a similar time of buying our first house, starting a new job, having a baby and then losing a parent all within a space of 3-4 months just before the pandemic lockdown started. I lost a lot of my hair instead and now have a bald spot. Also lot of junk food and alcohol. Somehow I would have liked to keep my hair even if it turned gray :)

I had a really rough 2019 & 2020 - not including the pandemic. Multiple health issues in myself and my family + financial issues + the pandemic. I am 45. Comparing pictures my hair at 43 vs 45 is unbelievable. Almost no white hairs in 2018. Today, half my hair is white. I had so much stress that I had to create a sleeping video playlist on Plex to drown out the nightmares and get a full night sleep. Now most of my pr…

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Re: Stress does turn hair gray, and it’s reversible

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Maybe it was a coincidence but at my last job I was so insanely stressed and burnt out. My manager was terrible, treated me like an idiot, and my ideas were stifled day in and day out. I woke up one day and seemingly overnight my beard had a grey patch - almost white, in fact. It fell out in the week after. Almost a year and a half later, after leaving that job, I took the pandemic to really focus on my stress levels…

> almost white, in fact. It fell out in the week after. Had a co-worker whose partner died in her late 20s. He told me the grief / stress / depression caused the same thing (edit: not his beard, but the top of his head). He even showed me photos himself having gone gray and having lost chunks of hair. It was stunning. And it all came back over the course of 10 years (he looked like a thick-maned William H Macy).

I hope he’s doing better now.
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