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Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Once you learn the propaganda techniques, you start seeing it everywhere in the mainstream media. I used to think about 10% of the mainstream media was propaganda, now it seems like about 90%.

I majored in Media Studies in college...it's literally all bullshit propaganda. Even if the underlying story is true, they twist and warp the facts and selectively cover events based on the agenda they are pushing. All media is owned by probably 5 people....but the general population eats that shit up and seems to get offended if you inform them of that.

Can you support any of this, or are we just using some of the techniques in the OP?

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Why the classification "mainstream" media? Is non mainstream media qualitatively different?

I called out mainstream media, as people often assume it is more reliable than the non-mainstream media.

> I called out mainstream media, as people often assume it is more reliable than the non-mainstream media.

It's pretty ambiguous: Where do you draw the line between them, and what evidence do you have about their relative reliability. The professional journalism I see, e.g. news sections in established newspapers, is far more accurate and honest than the non-mainstream stuff I see.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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post #29

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I believe non mainstream media is easier to recognize as propaganda or at least heavily biased, while mainstream media is oftentimes considered "unbiased" and "objective".

"unbiased"/"objective" = Status quo Propaganda

That's what the propagandists say: Everything is propaganda. It's self-justifying.

But it's not true. There actually is bias and subjectivity, and various degrees of them.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Critical Race Theory is affecting both our children's education as well as the military. And the media is playing games right in front of our faces. Here's just one example: IO 26 - Interview with Lt Col Matthew Lohmeier, USAF on CRT in DoD, His Book Irresistible Revolution https://tv.gab.com/channel/creativedestructionmedia/view/io-... Lt. Col. Matthew Lohmeier called out the social justice scam and paid for it with…

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This claim you're repeating is pure gaslighting. There are /some/ who will just yell CRT regarding anything, yes, but there are more who actually read and see what the formal academic theory is, and reject it on that basis. To claim it does not exist is an abject lie.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The intent is pretty clear. You can distinguish it from sloppy journalism fairly easily. Especially when the stories from one particular outfit all slant the same way.

I am sorry but I have no idea how one would come to the conclusion that 90% of journalists are engaging in intentional propaganda. I can understand if you think they have unconscious biases that influence their work, but believing 90% of the profession ix trying to actively manipulate you is just disconnected from reality.

> believing 90% of the profession ix trying to actively manipulate you is just disconnected from reality.

As I wrote in the opening post, once one learns about how the propaganda is done, what the techniques are, you start recognizing it all over the place.

It's like when I took some courses in sales techniques. Then, I'd go to buy a car, and sure enough, the salesmens' pitches were right out of those courses. I never recognized them for what they were before.

Becoming aware of when someone is trying to manipulate you, how they are doing it, and why it works is kind of a superpower.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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post #18

Once you learn the propaganda techniques, you start seeing it everywhere in the mainstream media. I used to think about 10% of the mainstream media was propaganda, now it seems like about 90%.

Doesn't propaganda require intent? You may be seeing bias but that isn't the same as propaganda.

> Doesn't propaganda require intent?

Not at all. In fact, effective propaganda will have its targets repeating it explicitly and internalizing it as a frame to other things. If nobody did that, propaganda wouldn't matter.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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There's a lot of good content in this article focused on the media. The media is highly visible and well-documented, so it makes sense. I'd like to see more content about indoctrination and propaganda happening in US education. This to me is much more insidious as it takes an impressionable populace (kids and young adults) and provides an authority figure (teachers and professors) that are largely hidden from public…

> indoctrination and propaganda happening in US education What evidence do you have that it is happening and on what scale? My teachers, all that I recall, never presented any opinion or perspective as truth. It was always about thinking critically for ourselves. If, for example, they presented a well-established view on the sinking of the Maine , it was as material for our analysis and evaluation.

The evidence that radicals have already successfully overtaken Western universities is overwhelming, and the evidence that these radicals are in the process of taking over secondary education is also readily available for anyone who is interested.

If you are actually looking for some eyewitness accounts, Jordan Peterson has many podcasts where he interviews specific people that have experienced the ideological takeover themselves, including:

* Yeonmi Park: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yqa-SdJtT4

* Dr. Rima Azar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIw8mH7ZpFY

* Bret Weinstein: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O_gW4VWZ5c

He has also interviewed one person who lost his job fighting the takeover in high school:

* Paul Rossi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysQBegyQP8A

He's also interviewed a self-identified liberal and former employee of New York Times that witnessed the takeover at the Times. Starting at minute 8 the conversation diverges into talking about her experience at University.

* Bari Weiss: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFTA9MJZ4KY&t=12s

Bari Weiss says it herself in this podcast, loosely quoted since I don't remember it exactly: If you as a liberal can't see the danger in what is happening, then you have your blinders on.

I would say the same holds true of people who can't see the takeover in education, which is already mostly complete.

Edit: I found the Bari Weiss quote at 43:06: "I have to be honest. At this point, if one can't see the way that this language has been hijacked and used as a kind of trojan horse strategy to smuggle in a hardened, zero-sum identity politics view of the world, to smuggle in a view of the world in which we have collective guilt or collective innocence literally based on the circumstances of our birth, that smuggle in a deeply anti-capitalist position, to smuggle in essentially a leftist illiberalism, then, I'm sorry. You have blinders on! The evidence is so overwhelming at this point.... I think it's because admitting that's true, is extremely psychologically scary, and socially scary, if you are a liberal."

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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One can’t simply relay absolutely all of the information. By choosing which information to relay, you could say one already engages in propaganda, selective spread of information[0]. The choice reflects one’s opinion on what you should pay attention to, which is conceptually not that different from propaganda. [0] Quoting the article, “The art of propaganda is not telling lies, but rather selecting the truth you requ…

There is a difference between not relaying all information and selecting info or misrepresenting info used for an agenda.

How is not relaying all information different from selecting information to relat?

As to misrepresenting information, the same subset of information could be seen as fair by one group and misrepresentation by another group.

What matters is the purpose of the activity. If one consistently spreads selective information from which one stands to gain in terms of money or power, I’d say that’s a problem, whether you call it propaganda or not. On the other hand, other types of selective information we could call “propaganda” (e.g., anti-drug or pro-savings commercials) might actually be beneficial to the society.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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There's a lot of good content in this article focused on the media. The media is highly visible and well-documented, so it makes sense. I'd like to see more content about indoctrination and propaganda happening in US education. This to me is much more insidious as it takes an impressionable populace (kids and young adults) and provides an authority figure (teachers and professors) that are largely hidden from public…

So, the American Civil Religion?

Dangerous History Podcast with Prof CJ https://profcj.org/ep124/

"Ever get the sense that the government and politics in the United States is kinda cult-y? If so, CJ thinks your spidey sense is justifiably tingling, and what you’re picking up on is the phenomenon known as the civil religion.

Join CJ as he discusses:

The concept of civil religion

The origins of the American civil religion, and a brief word on the scholarship on the concept

Some of the overtly religious elements that can be found in American government and politics, including: dogmas, rituals, sacred texts, holy places, sermons, sacrifices, sacred days, spells/mantras/incantations/prayers, music, sacred histories/narratives, temples, symbols/totems, priests, and saints

The ways in which people of different cultural and ideological predilections can — just like with conventional religion — interpret the civil religion in order to make it fit their preferences

How voting fits into this civil religion, and why CJ thinks a reasonable person should reject the civil religion — whether they are theists or not

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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post #94

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> As the parents, we have the right to chose how our children are raised. Downvoted for raising your children as you'd like. Lol, that's HN for ya.

Children aren't property. It's perfectly reasonable for society to take children away from parents. We do it for various forms of abuse. We obviously want to be careful, but I see no reason to allow 14-year-olds to get married off by their parents to adult men in their cult. Nor do I think it's okay to change that to the parents let their 14-year-olds get groomed for 4 years either.

Okay, but if they send their children to christian school (I'm actually not religious myself), is that too much indoctrination for you, or is it okay for people to raise their children with their own views and culture?
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