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Re: Apple’s new keyboard feature in iOS 15 is insult to Cantonese speaking community

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Post by dang »

creshal wrote: post #91
YouthfulMarxism wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Helpless and culturless drones. What a fine definition for a whole nation of United State of America, modern Germany, France, etc. At this point you should already be tired to substitute culture with a language.

France! Of all the nations, you pick the one that aggressively defines culture and language as identical, and acts like it to the point of being insufferable. You truly have no idea what you're talking about, do you?

Please don't post in the flamewar style to HN. We ban that sort of account. Fortunately you don't appear to have a history of that, but please don't go there here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Apple’s new keyboard feature in iOS 15 is insult to Cantonese speaking community

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Post by dang »

YouthfulMarxism wrote: post #97
creshal wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

France! Of all the nations, you pick the one that aggressively defines culture and language as identical, and acts like it to the point of being insufferable. You truly have no idea what you're talking about, do you?

Now lets pretend that Germany and USA wasn't in the same sentence. > Helpless and culturless drones. Please repeat this sentence about people of France.

Would you please stop posting unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments to HN and please not use HN for ideological or political battle? Those things destroy the type of site we're trying for here, so we ban accounts that do them. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Edit: actually your account has been doing these things so overwhelmingly that I've banned it for now. I hate to ban an account that posted a good comment like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26421426, but when the rate is that low we have little choice. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

Re: Apple’s new keyboard feature in iOS 15 is insult to Cantonese speaking community

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Post by [deleted] »

lugged wrote: post #109
YouthfulMarxism wrote: post #87

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Promoting uniform official language is a perfectly fine state policy with a tonn of benefits, including costs reduction, economic integration improvements, increased social and workforce mobility. CCP crimes are countless, but existing of such policy is clearly not one of them. Questions could and should be asked in regard to tools and apparatus used in such transition, for example repressions, violence and forced re…

It's perfectly fine if it's your language. How would you like it if someone suddenly said you can't speak English anymore?

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Re: Apple’s new keyboard feature in iOS 15 is insult to Cantonese speaking community

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Post by ParoxysmalVigor »

lugged wrote: post #109
YouthfulMarxism wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Promoting uniform official language is a perfectly fine state policy with a tonn of benefits, including costs reduction, economic integration improvements, increased social and workforce mobility. CCP crimes are countless, but existing of such policy is clearly not one of them. Questions could and should be asked in regard to tools and apparatus used in such transition, for example repressions, violence and forced re…

It's perfectly fine if it's your language. How would you like it if someone suddenly said you can't speak English anymore?

This paragraph has addressed methods:

> Questions could and should be asked in regard to tools and apparatus used in such transition, for example repressions, violence and forced re-education. IF they were used.

English is not my first language, i was incredibly happy to learn it in my childhood, thanks to all the great old games (SeaLegends, SpaceQuest, Daggerfall, Fallout). Internet and technical literature motivated me to improve later. Though, i still very lacking.

Re: Apple’s new keyboard feature in iOS 15 is insult to Cantonese speaking community

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Post by permo-w »

blowski wrote: post #64
docdeek wrote: post #58

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Correct - the number of specific characters different to standard English is minimal, nothing like a Russian keyboard.

Is it not common in Russia then? I had a Russian housemate in London who exclusively used an English keyboard because he liked that model and it wasn't available in Cyrillic. He gave me the impression that a lot of people in Russia used English keyboards. But then he was an English-speaking programmer, and not representative of the "average Russian".

The impression i get is that you can write Russian in Roman text, and most Russians will understand you, but if you write English with Russian characters, very few people will understand you

Re: Apple’s new keyboard feature in iOS 15 is insult to Cantonese speaking community

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Post by ksec »

imbnwa wrote: post #101
ksec wrote: post #72

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Probably true. Half of the teens in the region dont speak the language anymore. So CCP is admittedly quite effective at it. Although Cantonese Voice recognition still works. And somehow Apple Arcade still not available in HK and Mainland China? Edit: Actually this brings back memory. About twenty+ years ago I made an English to Cantonese Translation with Romanization Input Method on Windows and later on Mac using Van…

So basically in 50 years Cantonese will largely live on in its disapora, much like the forms of Sicillian and Napolitano and the hundreds of other endagered languages you can find in NYC

Yes. But there is a different. Between Natural Selection of language where it is gone and a planned deliberate attack to get rid of the language. Correct me if I am wrong I believe Sicillian and Napolitano are the former. Cantonese are the latter.

Re: Apple’s new keyboard feature in iOS 15 is insult to Cantonese speaking community

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Post by ksec »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #77
The_suffocated wrote: post #70

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> "...but I don't think the CCP is so crudely trying to eliminate languages." Last time I checked, less than half of the population in Guangzhou knew how to speak Cantonese.

Don't read this as me trying to defend CCP's policy to discourage non-Mandarin languages in China: What you wrote is somewhat misleading to readers not familiar with the region. There has been massive internal migration to Guangdong province in the last 30 years. These migrants speak Cantonese at varying levels. It would be more accurate to make a comment about multi-generation Guangdong residents and their knowledge…

Except they actively discourage the use of cantonese even for those who have cantonese as their mother tongue and their parents who speak cantonese. To the point they communicate with their parents using Mandarin. Why? Because they have been taught at school speaking Cantonese in any circumstances were barbaric.

> Shenzhen

Shenzhen used to speak with Cantonese. All the way back from 70s to 90s after it was a fishing village. Everybody knew / learn how to speak with Cantonese because of Guangdong and Hong Kong.

Like I said above in another comment, most of the teens who were born from a Cantonese language family now dont speak the language anymore.

Re: Apple’s new keyboard feature in iOS 15 is insult to Cantonese speaking community

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Post by YouthfulMarxism »

dang wrote: post #112
YouthfulMarxism wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Now lets pretend that Germany and USA wasn't in the same sentence. > Helpless and culturless drones. Please repeat this sentence about people of France.

Would you please stop posting unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments to HN and please not use HN for ideological or political battle? Those things destroy the type of site we're trying for here, so we ban accounts that do them. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit more to heart, we'd be grateful. Edit: actually your account has been doing thes…

Thank you for making HN a better place.

Sorry, that i added a work for you. I'll try to be a person with less flame.

Re: Apple’s new keyboard feature in iOS 15 is insult to Cantonese speaking community

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Post by slver »

blowski wrote: post #62
slver wrote: post #29

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I know it feels like too much, you just feel like being outraged sometimes, don't you? But trust me, we gotta try it for a few centuries and see how it works out. You'll be surprised by our progress.

There are times when outrage is entirely the right emotion to feel. The problem is when we live in a permanent state of outrage, or when we pretend to be outraged to get what we want. If we "ban outrage", then somebody needs to be the outrage police and decide when it's acceptable.

Let’s ban emotions entirely.

Re: Apple’s new keyboard feature in iOS 15 is insult to Cantonese speaking community

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Post by imbnwa »

ksec wrote: post #116
imbnwa wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So basically in 50 years Cantonese will largely live on in its disapora, much like the forms of Sicillian and Napolitano and the hundreds of other endagered languages you can find in NYC

Yes. But there is a different. Between Natural Selection of language where it is gone and a planned deliberate attack to get rid of the language. Correct me if I am wrong I believe Sicillian and Napolitano are the former. Cantonese are the latter.

I mean, Southern Italians from Calabria and Sicily fled Italy precisely to escape what they perceived as an attack on their culture and society by Northern Italy, given the official government told everybody "you and your children will now be speaking Tuscan from now on, oh, and we're gonna fuck you with high taxes" (Tuscan, the regional language of Tuscany, was promoted to Official Italian by the Nationalist government). This schism between north and south still exists to this day in Italy (it even gets mentioned in The Sopranos!).

Perhaps the difference is one of degree rather than an absolute difference

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