To me this editor gets it right in the sense that we don’t need to get rid of code as the “nocode” movement is trying. Instead we need to make coding more enjoyable and figure out ways to make it more interactive. One specific thing Utopia addresses to me is the need for the code and the actual thing to be treated more as one single interactable component and not two separate things. Instead we're treating the thing…
Utopia, a visual design tool for React, with code as the source of truth
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Re: Utopia, a visual design tool for React, with code as the source of truth
#112How long did it take you to arrive at this version?
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#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can't recall front-page doing script/interactivity much? This is more like Dreamweaver? Ed: it's strange that the lively-kernel.org approach (the Self/Smalltalk approach) never did seem to gain any real traction. Rather we get these odd half-meassures like source-maps, bundled js and what-not. Well, any small progress towards the 80s in the 20s is good i guess...
Dreamweaver Ultradev, released in 2000, was the first version to introduce scripting with PHP and ASP.
Re: Utopia, a visual design tool for React, with code as the source of truth
#114It seems that any "logic" (conditionals, iterators, etc) in the components will prevent the component (and their children) from being inspectable.
Is the intent to keep it "no-code" in this respect (i.e. effectively a visual JSX editor), or will you be adding the ability to inspect more "dynamic" components to make it useful for app development?
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#115Big no for me if styles are injected as inline styles. As a developer I don't want to work with that generated code. At the very least look at using styled components or generate accompanying css module file.
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#116Re: Utopia, a visual design tool for React, with code as the source of truth
#117When you see things side-by-side you realise the React devs foisted XML back onto the world :D
Re: Utopia, a visual design tool for React, with code as the source of truth
#118Big no for me if styles are injected as inline styles. As a developer I don't want to work with that generated code. At the very least look at using styled components or generate accompanying css module file.
Re: Utopia, a visual design tool for React, with code as the source of truth
#119Looks nice! It seems that any "logic" (conditionals, iterators, etc) in the components will prevent the component (and their children) from being inspectable. Is the intent to keep it "no-code" in this respect (i.e. effectively a visual JSX editor), or will you be adding the ability to inspect more "dynamic" components to make it useful for app development?
If you do have specific cases that you come across and are interested in following the development or just want to let us know of them, please do file an issue on our GitHub repo.
Re: Utopia, a visual design tool for React, with code as the source of truth
#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
Framer, at least when I last tried it, was more of a prototyping tool. You could generally only one-way import React components into Framer, and then you could use Framer to assemble new components, but not in a way that allowed round-tripping. It's very possible to import production components into design tools, it's rare when a design tool can output production components again. Largely because production-ready vis…
Slight correction, though it’s too late to edit: I meant to say at the end, “it’s unclear if Utopia will follow the same standards and patterns that production code demands,”