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Europe's Software Problem

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Re: Europe's Software Problem

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> If Europe wants to have its citizens (and companies) rely significantly on European-operated software, it has no choice but to develop better software, NEVER in my 30+ years as a user of computer networks or communication programs I have seen the "better software" win. It has always been the most marketing, the most shady ethics, or anything else that lead to the strongest network effect.

Interestingly, in FLOSS the opposite is true.

Re: Europe's Software Problem

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At least in Belgium, a very large fraction (perhaps even the majority) of software developers works for the government or for banks. It goes without saying that neither governments nor banks are exactly known for developing great software, or for marketing it ...

Re: Europe's Software Problem

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Living in EU. Can only say, the main reason is in my perspective regulatory and taxes. Some points

- It is difficult to issue equity and get equity (tax)

- Each EU country has different taxes. You are taxed lower in Netherlands than in Germany.

- Each country has different regulation rules. If you do something exciting. Wow let's say a social network. You would be killed by regulation and data privacy rules. Autonomous driving the same. Blockchain forget it.

- Ideology driven investments. Maybe just a feeling. But nearly on each event green energy seems to be the hot topic. It is kind of political driven. Like everyone should jump on the green energy train. It is harder to get funding for more exotic topics...

Re: Europe's Software Problem

#114

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Google vs. Yahoo, Ask Jeeves etc. After it was basically the winner it brought in marketing, shady ethics and everything else to keep growing.

Just to be clear, you're listing Google as a counterexample, as a piece of software that was good rather than just marketed as such, right? [ I would accept it as a counterexample. ]

At the beginning Google was pretty much technically better than yahoo (and even Altavista, which I would argue was the "technical" leader). It also solved search for that era; you really could find anything on google, and easily, so it was a better product too.

The definition of "better software" is vague. Does it mean technically better? Better product? Easier to use? Ethical? Probably have to ask GP for clarifcation on that.

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> If Europe wants to have its citizens (and companies) rely significantly on European-operated software, it has no choice but to develop better software, Europe is at a permanent disadvantage with language. You either target your local market in your local language, or you do English first. If you do English first, your market isn't even in your home country. Even culturally England and the USA (and AUS/NZ) are a bit…

Skype. And really, i18n is a minor issue.

From a technical perspective, yes. Most frameworks worth their salt provide good-enough mechanisms for that.

Where i18n becomes nasty is when you have to find, evaluate and constantly coordinate with n external translation agencies. Working from Germany on an international product, this is a nightmare. From a technical standpoint we can release features within a minute thanks to our CI/CD setup, but as soon as some user-facing text is affected we have to hold changed back until all translations were collected.

Re: Europe's Software Problem

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In order to be innovative and compete, we need very flexible working laws, people with a big growth mindset, a less relaxing lifestyle and AMBITIOUS people. The US has those things and it's turning into a "third world country with a Gucci belt" (as someone put it) for everyone except the 1% and the indispensable knowledge worker class that can't be automated away or juiced dry for all the productivity they are capa…

GP's phrasing is wrong but there is a point there - it is much easier to achieve success and then regulate and distribute its benefits than to go the other way round. I am not a fan of unbridled capitalism a la the USA and fully agree that more countries should strive to reach European levels of worker and civil rights... however, there is validity to the statement that Europe is currently coasting along on the spoil…

> however, there is validity to the statement that Europe is currently coasting along on the spoils of centuries of loot and plunder.

oh boy.

Time for you to crack the spine of a history book covering the 20th century, me thinks.

Re: Europe's Software Problem

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This problem will never get fixed. The author forgot to mention in depth the main reason why EU isn't even in the game: culture. In order to be innovative and compete, we need very flexible working laws, people with a big growth mindset, a less relaxing lifestyle and AMBITIOUS people. A lot of third world countries are years ahead of the whole EU continent in that aspect. I say this because I live in Europe for the q…

> In order to be innovative and compete, we need very flexible working laws, people with a big growth mindset, a less relaxing lifestyle and AMBITIOUS people. The US has those things and it's turning into a "third world country with a Gucci belt" (as someone put it) for everyone except the 1% and the indispensable knowledge worker class that can't be automated away or juiced dry for all the productivity they are capa…

>As a European, I can only hope that our culture doesn't degrade itself to that degree.

The question is whether Europe will be able to maintain its wealth - which is the main thing that makes possible the luxury of having a more relaxed lifestyle - in the long term while falling behind economically. Most of Europe's wealth is based around old world economy.

Re: Europe's Software Problem

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> For one, we lack the imagination and vision to launch something without knowing how it might eventually make money I don't think there is lack of imagination. The biggest barrier for any person who wants to launch something is: paperwork around establishing a company. In some countries you have to pay every month some amount of money if you want to be a freelancer, in others you need to setup a sole proprietorship,…

> The biggest barrier for any person who wants to launch something is: paperwork around establishing a company.

Seriously? Your plumber managed to establish a company. That kebab place across the street. The delivery guy subcontracting for courier service. And the company that wants to conquer the world can't?

Re: Europe's Software Problem

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Another "poor Europe, too scared, too insular, too antiquated" article. I wish my trends site still worked since this seems to be a bit of a theme recently. Something is out of whack about the priorities here. Yes America has FANGS and is at the cutting edge of slinging ads and casino style VC culture. But have you seen the state of US banking and payments infrastructure? Plaid is pretty much cutting edge for god's s…

> The US is so far behind in banking and actual useful technology it's quite funny.

I see this said, and it was true two decades ago, but I’m not aware of any way it’s true now. What banking can you do in Europe that you can’t do in the US?

Re: Europe's Software Problem

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post #94

> If Europe wants to have its citizens (and companies) rely significantly on European-operated software, it has no choice but to develop better software, NEVER in my 30+ years as a user of computer networks or communication programs I have seen the "better software" win. It has always been the most marketing, the most shady ethics, or anything else that lead to the strongest network effect.

> If Europe wants to have its citizens (and companies) rely significantly on European-operated software, it has no choice but to develop better software, Europe is at a permanent disadvantage with language. You either target your local market in your local language, or you do English first. If you do English first, your market isn't even in your home country. Even culturally England and the USA (and AUS/NZ) are a bit…

SAP - I'm not making a statement re the quality of their software, but they seem to be doing pretty well for themselves.

Siemens SiMatic - again, I won't say anything about the quality of their software, but they seem to be successful.

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