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Re: Silicon Valley thought India was its future, now things have changed

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I am from one of the countries mentioned, and I am not sure I have any idea of what you're talking about.

Search for "pseudo liberals India" and you will find a lot of articles talking about this topic. To be clear I'm not talking about any of them being right or wrong, just that that's the term which has historically been used.

Re: Silicon Valley thought India was its future, now things have changed

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This seems to be very related to the other article on first page: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27488950 Seems like US tech companies were exporting US politics and values to India (whether by design or by simply forgetting that not all the world is US) and the government decided that doesn't fit their own goals. I see more of this starting to show up as US citizens demand that tech companies take active part…

Your comparison is flawed. The article explains that Twitter's 'censorship' came only after its India-based employees were threatened with imprisonment by Indian authorities after not complying with an earlier censorship request. Your comparison of a tiny subset of internet users demanding 'censorship' in about a thousand different directions isn't the same thing as state violence.

Re: Silicon Valley thought India was its future, now things have changed

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This downward trend has long been in the works. The current government came into power riding on a wave of popularity, largely driven by their "IT cells". Now comfortably in power, they are probably dismantling the path, to avoid others who might try to follow. The government is not just in a stand-off with big-tech companies. It continues to view its own citizens as adversaries with frequent internet shutdowns [1].…

Can we stop with all this IT cell bullshit? Modi got in because he was more competent than the rajputra of the Nehru dynasty. My family are from Gujarat. We’ve known about Modi since he was governor. We moved out of our ancestral village several generations ago but still return on special occasions because our kuladevi is there. The area is semi-desert. Modi got water from the Narmada dam piped in. Now cash crops can…

If that's the case, why would he fear the Internet so much? Your argument doesn't really hold.

Re: Silicon Valley thought India was its future, now things have changed

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I am from one of the countries mentioned, and I am not sure I have any idea of what you're talking about.

Common Hindu nationalist trope to associate everything they don't like with colonialism.

As a Hindu, it deeply saddens me these people have been making temples the issue of forefront while ignoring every duty Dharma assigns to them.

Re: Silicon Valley thought India was its future, now things have changed

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What an absolutely shocking misrepresentation of the Buddha ! The Buddha rejected the authority of the Vedas entirely and this infuriated the Brahmins of that time. He had both philosophical and pragmatic objections to the theistic stance of Brahminical groups, along with a total rejection of their focus on mass animal slaughter in the name of rituals. From the original Pali canon, this discourse captures the Buddha'…

The neo-Hindu view of the Buddha is indeed misrepresentation. Buddha couldn’t have been a Hindu because “Hinduism” as they understand it simply didn’t exist at that time. But your view isn’t any better. 1. There is no reason to believe the Pali Tripitaka represents the authentic words or teachings of the Buddha. He would have spoken Magadhi as his mother tongue. Pali was a Western Prakrit and moreover a trade and lit…

The Pali Canon contains the kernel of the Buddha's Teaching. It is not difficult to separate the wheat from the chaff and arrive at the essence of what the Buddha taught. A guide on how to approach the discourses:

https://suttacentral.net/general-guide-sujato

Sujato addresses several claims in his essay, and has some helpful hints on the historical placement of the Buddhadhamma.

The Buddha was not a social reformer - his teaching was about total renunciation of the world. But there are plenty of discourses that reject the birth-based caste system and instead establishes that deeds and actions are the sole criteria for judging a person.

An example: https://suttacentral.net/mn98/en/sujato

You are mistaken about Karma (Pali: Kamma). Kamma is a central pillar in the Buddha's Teaching. It is, arguably, one of the most important aspects, since Nibbana is described as the cessation of kamma.

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/study/kamma.html

Adi Sankara's rejection of the Buddha's Teaching was not a simplicistic dismissal based on sectarian divisions. His rejection was based on philosophical differences - the Vedanta Sutras make that very clear.

In any case, my main point was that it is nonsensical to call the Buddha as a Hindu.

Re: Silicon Valley thought India was its future, now things have changed

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Isn't being "dharmic" a reference to performing your caste duties irrespective of whether you will be rewarded in this life. The reward comes next time in the form of a caste upgrade. They are verses that specify that one must perform ones caste duties ("dharma") no matter what even if you are better at other things. Why on earth would United states turn dharmic?

That seems to be colonial/Christian interpretation of dharma. You should perhaps watch some videos of what actual Hindu gurus say.

> watch some videos of what actual Hindu gurus say.

I am watching videos of what actual hindu gurus are saying and quoting hindu texts

https://twitter.com/DalitChef/status/1283967349691826184?s=1...

Right from the horses mouth. Quoting prabhupada.

https://twitter.com/Devendrakumar_/status/128447931018772890...

More knowledge from Prabhupada. Click on the video to hear him explain clearly.

"The word dharma is used. Dharma means occupational duty. Dharma does not mean some religious sentiment. No. Natural division and the occupational duty."

Mixing of varna is deleterious to society.

https://vaniquotes.org/wiki/The_Vedic_civilization_is_varnas...

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I am from one of the countries mentioned, and I am not sure I have any idea of what you're talking about.

He’s talking about the fact that India’s ruling class for a long time has been western-educated and rejected the people’s populist instincts: https://unherd.com/2021/04/the-culture-wars-of-post-colonial...

> Nehru and Jinnah led India and Pakistan to independence as the brown-skinned Westerners Thomas Macaulay had envisioned a century earlier. South Asian in appearance and pedigree, the leaders of these two nations nevertheless personified a fundamental truth about the Western orientation of the new Asian states.

We had the same in Bangladesh. Westernized university-educated people like my dad trying to impose secular democracy on a deeply Muslim country. Didn’t last.

Re: Silicon Valley thought India was its future, now things have changed

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OMG the world is shrinking for SV. As US gets deeper and deeper into its Cultural Revolution more and more countries with strong cultural identity do not follow and become more and more selective in adopting US model - China, Iran, Russia, India, Europe...

France: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/09/world/europe/france-threa...

> PARIS — The threat is said to be existential. It fuels secessionism. Gnaws at national unity. Abets Islamism. Attacks France’s intellectual and cultural heritage.

> The threat? “Certain social science theories entirely imported from the United States,’’ said President Emmanuel Macron.

Re: Silicon Valley thought India was its future, now things have changed

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This obsession with trying to somehow make the Buddha and his teaching as a branch of Hinduism falls flat on its face when you look at his teaching even cursorily. The central tenet of the Buddha's position was his exposition of anatta (not-self), which is directly opposed to all Hindu doctrines which preach that finding one's 'true self' is the goal of existence. Instead, the Buddha taught that the search for a 'tru…

For me Hinduism is an ecosystem as is for millions of Hindus. A Hindu will feel very comfortable in a Buddhist temple and practice and vice versa. Hindus themselves have extremely diverse traditions. I see where we have diverging views. My Swedish landlords who happens to be a Christian once asked we where is your holy book. In her mind not having a one-one equivalent with Christianity delegitimises the religion. In…

You define Hinduism as an ecosystem of ideas, with no clear boundaries, sometimes adopting ideas from Buddhism as well as other tribal rituals.

In another comment you said that casteism was brought by the West to India. (I do not agree with this but lets go with for now). So it clearly follows that Hindus (Hinduism) adopted casteism from somewhere externally. This is not for debate because we have seen and continue to see Hindus practicing casteism for whatever reason.

Hinduism can be simultaneously extolled for adopting "good" ideas from Buddhism but is also beyond criticism for adopting casteism from the west?

You arbitrarily laid the boundary for Hinduism at "caste" arguing that it was brought externally and hence not an inherent Hindu feature, yet somehow you take pride in Hinduism being a religion that does adopt external ideas. Which one is it?

Re: Silicon Valley thought India was its future, now things have changed

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Did you see any atheist kill someone because he was religious? Or even attack some believer for the sake of attacking? This is way to much strawman for me . And I did believe what you said in another post on Modi as governor, now i guess I'll have to check myself.

From his comment history, search for Pakistan. It's a flagged post. He is openly racist and hates Muslims. "Muslims have always been the perpetrators of unwarranted violence," This is why he votes for modi.

https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=naruvimama

Development of gujarat under modi is a fig leaf for the underlying reason for voting for modi. The motivations are right wing religious ethno fascism. The others in this case are muslims, with Christians and Sikhs being discriminated on a more opportunistic basis. Their vote for modi is in the hopes of building a hindu religious ethno state along Nazi principles with the muslims playing the role of German Jews. This idea is being heavily propagandize through social media, primarily WhatsApps encrypted channels.

The religious frenzy being built up in the country is absolutely unreal. Well educated software engineers have also been completely absorbed into this fold, as you can observe from the comments.

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