Got to love Linus. I feel safe about the kernel as long as he remains its head.
Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies
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Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wish people wouldn’t conflate not wanting to take this particular vaccine at this particular time with being “anti-vax”. I am vaccinated. I vaccinate my kids and have done so as recently as a few months ago. I believe in vaccines. But I’m not ready for this one yet. When it has gone through the same FDA approval process as would be used for any vaccine I will be first in line. I don’t see why people are so offended…
It did go through the same FDA approval process as any vaccine. Full scale clinical trials then FDA review of the results. Getting an EUA means it skipped the normal months-long wait for the FDA to review it, not that it wasn't fully tested. We also now have more safety data on these vaccines than most vaccines ever get, thanks to over 2 billion doses administered worldwide, starting over 6 months ago. There is no re…
Not GP.
No, an EUA is not the same thing as the normal FDA approval process. And even if it was, I personally would want more results about long-term effects before I got it.
Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies
#113I'm genuinely shocked at how many of my colleagues are in the anti-vaxx club. Literally half of my team have said they will not get the vaccine when it's available to them. One citing a podcast which talked about how the vaccine causes programmed cell death and the other because "it's all a bit suspicious". Great guys, intelligent and generally good to be around. I didn't know how to react when I found out.
What's your definition of anti-vaxx? To me, anti-vaxx means someone who is positively against vaccines, as in "vaccines give people X, so people shouldn't get vaccines", where X is some undesirable condition, autism, thrombosis, etc. Being skeptic, but not against vaccines is not anti-vaxx. If someone says "I don't know if vaccines are safe", I don't think that's an anti-vaxx stance. In fact, if you don't know about…
> In fact, if you don't know about biology or virology, the "I don't know if vaccines are safe" is a totally reasonable stance to have
Then they should also avoid all medications, since similarly to vaccines they probably don't have a deep enough understanding of biochemistry and pharmaceuticals.
In the end, trust in medical interventions is based on trust in the institutions that produce them, the individuals that administer them, and to some degree the public statistics around their efficacy, because it's not really possible to know exactly what the outcome will be in your individual case.
Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies
#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
How many documented cases of mass, true altruism are there, out of curiosity? I'm in agreeance that people should get the vaccine, but I'm under no illusion that for a normal (selfish) person, the cost-benefit is a little wonky.
Again, I’ll be altruistic once I have recourse. Why must I waive my legal rights?
Your rights end where the rights of another begin. Put putting others at risk, you are potentially denying them the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Don't get vaccinated and stay home. I support that. Going out in public as a spreader is not a right and the people you infect should be able to hold you legally liable.
Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies
#115Dear Linus, you're not a doctor. Coronaviruses are known from about 70-ties. They cause about 40‰ illness cases similar to flu. It is a known fact. It is also known fact they can easily attack their previous host too. That's why no coronavirus vaccines were injected since 70-ties. Technology barrier was not the issuse. There were also no vacciness during SARS and MERS. It is also known fact that about 80% of people h…
Are you a doctor?
Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies
#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
Selfish how? You can still carry and transmit the virus with the vaccine. You would've all still caught it whether she was vaccinated or not. Of course, if you're all vaccinated it doesn't matter either way.
This doesn't seem to be the case. At least studies on Moderna/Pfizer have found lower rates of asymptomatic infection/transmission in vaccinated people. Source: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-br... Given how important it is to get the vaccine to as many people as possible, please avoid making this misleading statement in the future.
Misleading? You're agreeing with me here. You can still carry and transmit it. You said it, I said it, I don't see the problem.
I don't think it is important to get the vaccine to as many people as possible. I think it is important to get the vaccine to those who think they should take it, especially vulnerable people like elderly people and people with comorbidities. Please don't tell me what to say, I'll say whatever I want thank you very much.
Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies
#117I'm genuinely shocked at how many of my colleagues are in the anti-vaxx club. Literally half of my team have said they will not get the vaccine when it's available to them. One citing a podcast which talked about how the vaccine causes programmed cell death and the other because "it's all a bit suspicious". Great guys, intelligent and generally good to be around. I didn't know how to react when I found out.
I wish people wouldn’t conflate not wanting to take this particular vaccine at this particular time with being “anti-vax”. I am vaccinated. I vaccinate my kids and have done so as recently as a few months ago. I believe in vaccines. But I’m not ready for this one yet. When it has gone through the same FDA approval process as would be used for any vaccine I will be first in line. I don’t see why people are so offended…
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Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies
#118I'm genuinely shocked at how many of my colleagues are in the anti-vaxx club. Literally half of my team have said they will not get the vaccine when it's available to them. One citing a podcast which talked about how the vaccine causes programmed cell death and the other because "it's all a bit suspicious". Great guys, intelligent and generally good to be around. I didn't know how to react when I found out.
There are legitimate concerns about the safety of the vaccines. This condescending and belittling attitude towards anyone who expresses any concern about the vaccine safety does not help either.
It's the propaganda of the big pharma mafia that tickles your narcissism so you get a kick out of feeling like superior for being 'one of the good guys' who is not against the vaccines.
On the one hand you have know-it-all anti-vaxxers. And just as bad are the people who are know-it-all pro-vaxxers. Both groups have a toxic attitude and mindset of "I know the absolute truth without any doubt and the other group just needs to be educated".
The first thing anyone with an unbiased critical-thinking mindset should notice is the fact that if vaccine safety was such an obvious no-brainer, and given that vaccines are meant to benefit the recipient, it would not take this much effort and force to get people to accept it. It would not remain a controversial issue for this long.
Any topic that is so clear-cut and obvious will not remain controversial for this long. The average person has no special interest or benefit in being "anti-vaccine". If the pro-vaccine folks were so convincing it wouldn't need this much force and effort to convince the other group to take the life-saving drug.
Pro-vaccine people need to drop the self-righteous attitude and treat the opposing group as equals. Instead all they do is belittle and mock them.
Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies
#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
99.97% survival rate for our demographic. When we can sue should we suffer an adverse reaction, then the cost-benefit analysis may even out. Right now, it’s all but downside.
As always though, it's not about you, it's about the people around you and the people around them. If we all acted selfishly all the time we'd all die.
Right, so those who are high risk get vaccinated…what’s the problem?
Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies
#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
99.97% survival rate for our demographic. When we can sue should we suffer an adverse reaction, then the cost-benefit analysis may even out. Right now, it’s all but downside.
As always though, it's not about you, it's about the people around you and the people around them. If we all acted selfishly all the time we'd all die.
You can counter the community micromorts of not getting vaccinated by donating several dollars to the Against Malaria Foundation.