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Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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Post by repsilat »

version_five wrote: post #7

The behavior he's calling out is obviously abhorrent. But isn't this more due to him airing dirty laundry in public? If this is his last recourse after consulting internally to try and deal with this, then I get it. But there is definitely a trend (maybe not by him) of people running to social media with their complaints before discussing them with those involved. If that is the case i would understand his being sanc…

Yeah, it reads that way to me -- this post was a public leak, not just criticising one founder but also implicitly repudiating the culture and governing processes of the forum. If the forum and trust in the forum being a private space are important to the program, I think being asked to leave sounds reasonable.

I'm not saying that the internal processes were satisfactory -- I don't know either way, and I think this position is consistent with both cases. I think the two options available are,

1. Criticise publicly and leave, and

2. Work within the system, and accept outcomes that go against you.

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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Post by [deleted] »

jollybean wrote: post #84
angry_octet wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It has a real "snitches get stiches" vibe to it. You have no expectation of privacy if you announce (let alone advocate for, or instruct how-to) behaviour against public health policy _during_a_pandemic_. The contrast with people who have been working hard to match people with appointments couldn't be more stark.

It does indeed have that vibe, and irrespective of what actually happened - it makes him look bad. If he was indeed talking about inappropriately skipping the line, then this guy is a bad actor. But I should point out that we don't have any idea - the situation could have been very misrepresented - and he could have done nothing wrong. But given the public information ... this Tweet is going to come of 'Snitches Get…

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Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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Post by dang »

pton-throw wrote: post #15

When did public denunciations become popular in the US? I know they've been a part of the Chinese internet since the early days. It wasn't always so intense in the US.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27399714. For best results, let's keep our internet dramas separate.

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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Post by rafaelero »

ska wrote: post #85
rafaelero wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was always ready to be part of the solution, so I don't think I was being empty when complaining about things. But I have to add that I wasn't maximizing for appearing polite. I never cross the line of not being respectful, though. Indeed, the management could have a different idea of what was an ideal direction. I just happened to disagree. It was a very small company, so I don't think I had a lot of different inf…

> I just happened to disagree. Did you continue to disagree after the issue had been aired and a decision had been made? That could definitely end up in the territory you describe.

During these conversations, there were never clear signs that the "decision was made and the path was chosen". My concerns were usually replied with "huh, ok". Therefore, I continually brought it up, since it was my interpretation that people were not convinced yet.

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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Post by dalbasal »

ible wrote: post #39

What an excellent demonstration of what values/norms a group really cares about. Biggar violated the all time favourite in-group rule: Don't talk out of school. Don't talk about fight club. Don't snitch. The other founders violated a norm against pushing yourself ahead and taking advantage of others that doesn't even seem to hold in many groups, especially upper class/wealthy ones.

Here's an analogy. You can get fired for always being late to work, but not get fired for bad behaviour (even crime) outside of work... say drunk driving.

This doesn't mean that being late to work is worse than drunk driving, or that person A is worse than person B. Not everything is a general judgement on worth or character.

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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Post by Hamuko »

TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #109
angry_octet wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It has a real "snitches get stiches" vibe to it. You have no expectation of privacy if you announce (let alone advocate for, or instruct how-to) behaviour against public health policy _during_a_pandemic_. The contrast with people who have been working hard to match people with appointments couldn't be more stark.

At this point in the US, anyone who wants to get a vaccine can get one. That makes getting it a personal choice. Then you have this person try to damage Ycombinator because one of their founders spoke internally about the matter. Absolutely tactless. You'd expect future founders to be able to consider potential repercussions for biting the hand that's serving them.

>At this point in the US, anyone who wanted to get a vaccine can get one.

Pretty sure when this actually happened, vaccines were not actually open to anyone that just wanted one.

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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Post by dasickis »

I'm the person this original tweet was about.

None of you know any of the internal details but what I can state is that Paul has no idea what he's talking about and later admits to the fact I wasn't lying.

Here's the order of events:

1. I went to a neighborhood clinic in Oakland, CA that's literally next door to my house, I can see the church from my window. Paul lives in NYC which is on the opposite end of the country.

2. I asked them about eligibility and told them I don't clear CA guidelines. They told me it's first come, first served with an ID showing I am 18+.

3. I showed up the next day, waited in line for 4 hours then got jabbed.

4. Posted it in an internal forum for other founders.

5. A few people had issues so raised them which I addressed but YC still took down the post within the day.

6. I appealed but YC still held their decision as final.

Outcome: YC founder came with his aunt, uncle, and mom all over 65 to get jabbed who didn't know about the vaccine site.

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Paul ends up tweeting about it and making a huge deal around something he has no idea about. He gets a bunch of people on Twitter upset about something they don't know about.

Outcome: Internet rage.

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