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Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by sharkjacobs »

andrei_says_ wrote: post #28

Why? Because of the already sunk cost into office space? Any other reasons? I know I can drive 40 min and stare at the same laptop and email/zoom with the same people. What’s in it for me? All I see is unnecessary agony, and a lot of it. I produce more from home. Why does an employer want me to suffer more, even if it will cost them? What’s in it for them?

> Because of the already sunk cost into office space?

Yeah, Apple Park did cost ~5 billion dollars, and its still less than five years old so they haven't gotten a great return on investment yet.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by lotsofpulp »

mikepurvis wrote: post #88
cnasc wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also don’t live in Brooklyn, but some people do

For me, it's Canada: "Routine childhood immunization: 2 doses of any measles-containing (MMR or MMRV) vaccine. The first dose of measles-containing vaccine should be administered at 12 to 15 months of age and the second dose at 18 months of age or any time thereafter, but no later than around school entry." https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/publications... Many school boards require it, along with DPTP,…

No, it’s free in the US too. There are clusters of families in communities that reject vaccines however, so there are a bunch of schools with insufficient proportions of vaccinated kids. A ripe breeding ground to create a vaccine resistant strain of measles or mumps or whatever.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by Frost1x »

version_five wrote: post #43
cat_plus_plus wrote: post #7

Fine, but if any company makes me wear a mask for 8 hours, I am out of there. Work remotely or come to a normal office sure.

It's a religion now, and an important part of testing your adherence is going to be seeing whether you're willing to wear a mask all day at work, tell others how important it is, and cluck and shake your head at the unenlightened (anti-maskers) that disagree with you. I understand this will be perceived as a troll post, but this as absolutely the setup I am seeing.

You're not entirely wrong. There are plenty of people for or against wearing masks regardless of what the science says, almost cultish. We had it before the pandemic and we have it now even with highly effective vaccines. It happens on the extreme right but it also happens on the extreme left.

I personally can't wait until the two weeks after my final vaccine shot ends so I can stop wearing a mask and not care anymore. I had a heck of an immune response so I'm pretty hopeful I'm in the now immune category.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by swiley »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #91
Nbox9 wrote: post #51

I work for another company that is going to do a partial return to office. I will be looking at options for companies that offer full in person office (or 90% in person office) after things settle down. I have worked full remote for a total of 5 years of my career, and I believe working in the office is a competitive advantage. * Overhearing hallway conversations (and joining them) helps spawn invocation. * I often d…

> * I had a stronger work/life separation. I rarely turned on my work laptop at home. This is imho the worst part of WFH. Some people come to work at 6:00 and go home at 14:00, some come at 10:00 and leave at 18:00, and some even later. If you're in an office, the latecomer can just check the early birds office, "oh, you're here, can we ..." / "he's not here anymore, this will wait 'till tomorrow". With WFH it's cons…

I guess I should be happy that I work at a company with people in the EU.

If you get up early and stop replying to emails after 15:00-16:00 (when there isn't something scheduled going on) no one gets surprised.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by jim-jim-jim »

andrei_says_ wrote: post #28

Why? Because of the already sunk cost into office space? Any other reasons? I know I can drive 40 min and stare at the same laptop and email/zoom with the same people. What’s in it for me? All I see is unnecessary agony, and a lot of it. I produce more from home. Why does an employer want me to suffer more, even if it will cost them? What’s in it for them?

> Because of the already sunk cost into office space?

Surely this must be a big part of it, but I haven't seen any good discussions about the topic. Workers are being massively inconvenienced and the environment is being put under unnecessary stress to prop up the value of now-redundant real estate.

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Post by SllX »

chrisrogers wrote: post #55
jsnk wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We should stop kids from wearing the masks. The covid risk for the kids are miniscule and masks do not stop covid anyway.

Masks are critical for dampening the potential for spread. The goal is not entirely to mitigate risk for the kid themselves, but of spread to their household that leads to increased likelihood of deaths.

At this point, for those households, all I have to say to them is get vaccinated or STFU.

San Francisco sits at 60% fully vaccinated with most of the Bay Area in the same range; only Solano County lags very far behind at 39% fully vaccinated.

If between now and September, we can’t get society vaccinated to the point that kids can attend school 5 days a week without a mask, then we either need to do some full on Union busting or it’s time to start leaving the unvaccinated behind and let them take their lives into their own hands. Will that suck for those that for some reason can’t? Yes, but we can’t keep society in a holding pattern for them forever.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by midev »

desine wrote: post #66
version_five wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a religion now, and an important part of testing your adherence is going to be seeing whether you're willing to wear a mask all day at work, tell others how important it is, and cluck and shake your head at the unenlightened (anti-maskers) that disagree with you. I understand this will be perceived as a troll post, but this as absolutely the setup I am seeing.

It’s been a religion from day 1. PCR tests being run at too high of a cycle count was a conspiracy theory until it wasn’t. Hospitals being incentivized to mark any possible patients as COVID cases for extra government money was a conspiracy theory until it wasn’t. Mandatory vaccination with a drug that hasn’t even gotten FDA approval was a theory and yet I see people call for it. People I had had great chats with abo…

> I was one of the most scientifically literate people in my friend group and now I’m an outcast because I don’t always “trust the science”.

Unless you're an expert in a field, you are not scientifically literate in that field.

Being able to read a couple conclusions isn't scientific literacy. It's the same slapdash stuff that conspiracy theorists do. Find a couple publicized studies. Read the conclusions. Repeat as though you're an expert.

Even in your comment, the majority of your points are political, because I suspect you're not actually scientifically literate.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by orangecat »

martimarkov wrote: post #44
jsnk wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We should stop kids from wearing the masks. The covid risk for the kids are miniscule and masks do not stop covid anyway.

Factually incorrect - both statements. Minuscule (if we just take it at face value) is not the same as none. If a kid dies then there is a risk. Plus it depends on what I consider to be high risk. If a kid dies from preventable causes then for me that’s high risk environment. Kids also spread the disease even we ignore the risk for them. So that means that it’s an increase of the risk for everyone else. Kids also int…

Minuscule (if we just take it at face value) is not the same as none. If a kid dies then there is a risk.

This isn't a useful classification; literally everything we do has some risk. 300 Americans under 18 have died from Covid (https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-...), which is insignificant when compared to deaths from accidents, and not much higher than pre-Covid flu deaths (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/spotlights/2019-2020/2019-20-pediatr...).

Kids also interact with their grandparents in a lot of cultures quite frequently which is the highest risk group.

At least in the US, their grandparents should have been vaccinated months ago.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by KptMarchewa »

coldtea wrote: post #106
aikinai wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does everyone here just assume that everyone’s commute is as bad as theirs? There are many people in the current working generation that avoided the soul-sucking suburban commute from the start.

> Why does everyone here just assume that everyone’s commute is as bad as theirs? Because statistically it would be representative. Also because even if the office is next door, you need to get dressed properly, prepare, etc., which eats at least half hour every morning.

I just hope you shover despite working from home.
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