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California Bill to Decriminalize Psychedelics Is Approved by Senate

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Re: California Bill to Decriminalize Psychedelics Is Approved by Senate

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Post by qntty »

tayo42 wrote: post #47

Pretty cool, I think they way we all talk about psychedelics and drugs in general is harmful and misleading. I guess we need baby steps but idk if social sharing is enough. A big problem with the current drug world is not getting clean and pure substances and in predictable doses. I didn't see anything about like lsd labs and stores or mdma production being allowed in the bill. Did i miss something about making highe…

It's not hard to get clean and pure mushrooms if you take the time to learn how to grow them, or if you have a friend that does.

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Post by renewiltord »

sergiotapia wrote: post #27

Doesn't california have a massive drug problem and literal armies of drug addicts shitting in the streets and harassing families and tax-payers? How will this help?

This is what anti-drug people don’t get. These things happen. But I’ll take the trade off. Don’t tread on me.

Get the government out of this business. If I want to take shrooms, I will.

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Post by heavyset_go »

sergiotapia wrote: post #27

Doesn't california have a massive drug problem and literal armies of drug addicts shitting in the streets and harassing families and tax-payers? How will this help?

You do realize that drug convictions and felonies for victimless drug charges like psychedelic possession, manufacturing or distribution ensures that landlords won't rent to the convicted, employers will discriminate against them and that they're ineligible for government benefits, up to and including student loans to better their lives?

If you actually cared about homelessness, you wouldn't advocate for policy that creates more homeless people.

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Post by kf6nux »

wk_end wrote: post #48

I strongly support decriminalization, but I'm curious: are people in California getting arrested for the possession of psychedelics for personal use in any real numbers? That is, is this bill going to change anything on the ground, or is it just a step in the right direction?

Fewer criminal statutes is almost always a good thing. Discriminatory enforcement is a huge problem. My local Police Chief told me he thinks of discriminatory enforcement as a good thing, so you can only solve it as a problem by removing the ineffective/undesirable law.

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Post by renewiltord »

ravenstine wrote: post #6

I get LSD and psilocybin, but why ketamine? In either case, I feel like this shouldn't have tried to include ketamine since the perception of it might jeopardize the bill.

Ketamine is already available therapeutically. If I weren’t currently traveling I would be on it since I’ve been prescribed it.

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Post by masklinn »

tomComb wrote: post #93
masklinn wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. You seem to be confused about the significant amounts of homeless people[0] having been dumped into the state by various others: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeless_dumping 2. Most people with addiction issues (whether cause or consequence of issues) are not users of psychedelics. 3. How about you explain how criminalizing drugs helps the situation? Because that's the regime under which you got the current situ…

I would go further and say that none of the addiction is related to psychedelics - AFAIK you can't get addicted to then. As with alcohol etc you can do stupid and dangerous things while on then, and you can have a very unpleasant experience but they are otherwise harmless.

> AFAIK you can't get addicted to then.

Addiction is not necessarily physical. Pretty much anything which makes people feel good or different can trigger addictive behaviour e.g. gambling, video games, or shopping, all have related compulsive disorders which get more and more considered as addiction as time passes and studies increase (though only gambling addiction is formally recognised by the DSM at this point).

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Post by 8note »

Morvan wrote: post #87
michaelbrave wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've heard it has a lot of promise in treating depression, decriminalization would allow for official medical studies.

again, if drugs is what you need to "treat" depression then you probably have a much bigger problem in life that needs to be addressed rather than looking for another band-aid. depression is not some random disease you catch like a bad cold, it stems from personal or systemic issues that will only continue to feed into said depression until fixed.

You might not be familiar with the mechanics of depression.

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Post by 8note »

clipradiowallet wrote: post #70
ravenstine wrote: post #6

I get LSD and psilocybin, but why ketamine? In either case, I feel like this shouldn't have tried to include ketamine since the perception of it might jeopardize the bill.

Ketamine may (or may not, I have no idea) have legitimate medical and recreational uses...but those aren't what worry me. Ketamine has a long history of being a popular choice to subdue a kidnapping victim.

If it's being used as a weapon, that sounds like it should be protected under the second amendment.

I imagine guns and knives are the most popular choices for subduing kidnapping victims, and they're explicitly legal because they can be used in that way

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Post by bluepanda928752 »

beepbooptheory wrote: post #38

As someone whose life was very much thrown into turmoil and difficulty for getting caught with a relatively small amount of mushrooms in Texas, to the point that it will soon be a decade and I have not really completely recovered financially or emotionally, and also still blocked from a lot of jobs, news like this is so good but hard to hear on a personal level.

I hope one day we will have a Nuremberg-style trial for all those friendly chaps who orchestrated (and profited from) this pointless life-destruction machine called war on drugs

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Post by [deleted] »

Morvan wrote: post #87
michaelbrave wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've heard it has a lot of promise in treating depression, decriminalization would allow for official medical studies.

again, if drugs is what you need to "treat" depression then you probably have a much bigger problem in life that needs to be addressed rather than looking for another band-aid. depression is not some random disease you catch like a bad cold, it stems from personal or systemic issues that will only continue to feed into said depression until fixed.

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