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Firefox Release 89.0

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Re: Firefox Release 89.0

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Post by pteraspidomorph »

mathw wrote: post #83
csmpltn wrote: post #24

> "We’ve redesigned and modernized the core experience to be cleaner, more inviting, and easier to use." Why does the UI change with every single Firefox release? I find myself having to re-adjust every time a new update is shipped. What's wrong with having a consistent experience that survives for more than 6 months? It's just a URL bar, and a bunch of tabs. Just leave it be already.

Last major Firefox UI overhaul was... Firefox 57, the first Quantum release, in November 2017. It's had various tweaks since, but my day to day experience has been the same since then. This is not an absurd pace of UI change in my opinion. And yes it is a conceptually simple UI, but with the whole stuff around the web with security, permissions, tab and window management and how an awful lot of modern computer use by…

Your day to day experience isn't necessarily the same as everyone else's. It hasn't been long since "View page info" was confined to a hidden menu and all context menu labels were changed for absolutely no reason.

Re: Firefox Release 89.0

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Post by conradfr »

jodrellblank wrote: post #80
Devid2014 wrote: post #22

Why no more icons in menus? :(

They're making you agitated, apparently: " Cohesive, calmer visuals: Lighter iconography, a refined color palette, and more consistent styling throughout. "

That reminds of Jetbrains removing colors on icons because it was "distracting".

Sure, let's remove things that help me find what I want to click on quicker.

Re: Firefox Release 89.0

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Post by _Microft »

Tokelin wrote: post #29
ihuman wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In about:config, set "browser.proton.enabled" to false. I don't know if this will work in future versions, but it works in v89.

Thank you for this. While searching I also found `browser.uidensity`. Setting it to 1 makes the whole UI more compact, which gives some more vertical pixels for the website window.

Thanks for suggesting setting browser.uidensity to 1, it actually makes bars a lot more compact!

Re: Firefox Release 89.0

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Post by francoisz »

krastanov wrote: post #89
francoisz wrote: post #74

I stopped using Firefox the minute I realized that `enable DRM' actually meant `run unfree secret-source software on my computer'. Don't know what this is doing in my distribution's ``free'' package repository.

I am curious what you are using instead? A fork that hardcodes that choice?

Qutebrowser. I get that the choice is there, people want it and Firefox is still better than Chrome; but (1) Firefox should no longer be advertised as free software; and (2) it should be made abundantly clear what `enable DRM' actually means.

Re: Firefox Release 89.0

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Post by foepys »

pseudalopex wrote: post #98
chrnad wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I personally think it's a big improvement over what it was before -- on macOS at least. On macOS, Firefox had always felt a little bit off. Nothing too egregious, but just enough to make it slightly unpleasant (like the non-native context menus). I feel like that has been resolved in this update.

They stopped trying to make menus even look native on other systems.

To be honest, Microsoft has given up trying on Windows as well. Every Microsoft application feels different and MS Teams even ignores the Windows notification infrastructure.

Re: Firefox Release 89.0

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Post by PascLeRasc »

vlmutolo wrote: post #72
PascLeRasc wrote: post #57

I just want to chime in and mention that I’ve been using an old version of Chromium with the trapezoid tabs for years now and nothing bad has happened yet. Not updating isn’t as big a deal as people make it sound, especially if you use ublock origin and some common sense when browsing.

How would you know if something had happened? Are you constantly monitoring your network traffic? Who's to say that you haven't had data exfiltrated from your machine, or that you haven't participated in a botnet somewhere?

The only issues that I'd care about are: having money stolen from me and having my social media profiles hijacked. So far I haven't noticed that happen. I don't care if anything else happens.

Re: Firefox Release 89.0

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Post by move-on-by »

mathw wrote: post #83
csmpltn wrote: post #24

> "We’ve redesigned and modernized the core experience to be cleaner, more inviting, and easier to use." Why does the UI change with every single Firefox release? I find myself having to re-adjust every time a new update is shipped. What's wrong with having a consistent experience that survives for more than 6 months? It's just a URL bar, and a bunch of tabs. Just leave it be already.

Last major Firefox UI overhaul was... Firefox 57, the first Quantum release, in November 2017. It's had various tweaks since, but my day to day experience has been the same since then. This is not an absurd pace of UI change in my opinion. And yes it is a conceptually simple UI, but with the whole stuff around the web with security, permissions, tab and window management and how an awful lot of modern computer use by…

I thought the Address Bar redesign in 75.0 was pretty major in April 2020.

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/75.0/releasenotes/

Re: Firefox Release 89.0

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Post by mathw »

walterlb wrote: post #48
_Microft wrote: post #27

Anyone remembers these old Win 95-era programs that faked tabs and tab panes by having a number of buttons in a row and switching the content of the pane below? The new tab bar certainly gives off these vibes. :/

They apparently have re-implemented tabs using some sort of tab-by-wire system, since the physical tab-to-content connection is now missing :)

Yes that feels very weird. I expect I'll get used to it, but as somebody who used to be very passionate about how tabs must be above the address bar because that is part of the tab not the overall browser, losing that visual link of "all this page stuff is inside the tab" is weird.

Re: Firefox Release 89.0

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Post by conradfr »

bserge wrote: post #6
jhvkjhk wrote: post #2

Looks like this is the first stable version with their renewed UI? Downloading.

Oh dear God, is it like the mobile version? I need to turn off updates asap and test it first. I was willing to give it more time on Android, but it would randomly stop loading pages and that was the last straw. I begrudgingly use Chrome now :/

Sending tabs between devices has been broken for months.

But I guess tab design is more important.

Re: Firefox Release 89.0

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Post by foepys »

schrute wrote: post #77
arrayjumper wrote: post #56

I don't like the removal of tab separators. Now all the background tabs kind of merge into one large mega tab :( for example - https://i.ibb.co/p4LWvtb/2021-06-01-19-12-43-3841x169.png

That seems like it should be at least a customizable setting and IMO on by default. Let’s hope the HN thread full of people pointing it out helps.

Themes have control over how it looks. You can search, test, and install one directly within Firefox.
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