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Re: Swiss Covid Certificate – Technical documentation of the swiss Covid certificate

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Post by KptMarchewa »

traspler wrote: post #18
nnx wrote: post #4

Absolutely terrible for privacy to use a client-server architecture for this. Why can't this be purely client-validated like passport chips?

It‘s as distributed & offline as can be. You could easily print the QR code out and the validator can be offline; the validation still works fine. The validator should have to connect to the network periodically to check for revocations, otherwise everything can be done offline. Issuance, Revocations & cross country validation requires some kind of backbone but even issuers don‘t have to be centralized if you want. T…

Why do you need revocations of vaccine status? Can you become unvaxed?

Re: Swiss Covid Certificate – Technical documentation of the swiss Covid certificate

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Post by slumdev »

guitarbill wrote: post #103
RspecMAuthortah wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure why you are downvoted. Health officials in US have done a phenomenal job showing how incompetent they were during this crisis. From initial downplay, then the mask fiasco, then trying to covering up the lab leak hypothesis, and of course politicizing the vaccine release timeline, they have blood on their hands. Then to say we need to blindly trust them on what they are saying on safety profile of the vaccine…

Maybe because saying "Adequate testing takes about a decade" is kinda BS - maybe in poster's opinion that's what "adequate" means. Realistically, the vaccine just has to be safer than getting Covid and it's long-term effects. Because we've seen in most Western nations that not getting Covid doesn't work in general. > I will never trust US Health Authorities anymore It's a shame some of their mistakes have eroded trus…

Well, don't take it from me. Take it from Hopkins:

> A typical vaccine development timeline takes 5 to 10 years, and sometimes longer

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/timeline

Or how about from New York State?

> The creation of a vaccine involves scientists and medical experts from around the world, and it usually requires 10 to 15 years of research

https://www.health.ny.gov/prevention/immunization/vaccine_sa...

Or the World Economic Forum?

> In total, a vaccine can take more than 10 years to fully develop

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/06/vaccine-development-b...

mRNA technology doesn't eliminate the need for lengthy safety testing. It only decreases the amount of time between initial brainstorming and sticking needles in test subjects. The need to follow those subjects for years to monitor them for negative outcomes doesn't change.

Re: Swiss Covid Certificate – Technical documentation of the swiss Covid certificate

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

ghoward wrote: post #108
avs733 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you "trust the science", it'll give you immunity, and you don't need to worry about me at all. Me getting vaccinated protects more than just me. It protects, for example, those who cannot get vaccinated by limiting the spread of a disease. Your perspective could be (perhaps slightly unfairly) summarized as 'your child has leukemia and caught a cold from me, well that's THEIR problem not mine' I do not understand…

> Watching the anti-COVID vaccine folks has helped me realize this isn't about medicine or science or understanding...its about selfishness. It really is about science because the vaccines have not been approved for general use yet. All they have is an Emergency Use Authorization. Edit: Also, we don't know the long-term effects of these vaccines. Those could be far worse than the virus. For people who are not vulnera…

Do you have an example of said side effects your concerned about? As far as I'm aware most of the vaccine side effects should have popped up by now, and if you're talking long term then we can't possibly know the side effects of any medication because you can always move out the goalpost another decade.

The liberty being discussed here is to go to another country - that's never been an unrestrained freedom you had and up for that other nation to decide, so I don't know why you're concerned about a non-existent liberty.

Re: Swiss Covid Certificate – Technical documentation of the swiss Covid certificate

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Post by gregoriol »

sorbits wrote: post #102
gregoriol wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"It’s currently required to enter any restaurants or public spaces and has been very successful in returning some degree of normality to the country.", there seems to be a link between the app and the normality in this statement, but there actually is no link between the two: an app like this may have some impact at some longer term, to lighten another wave, but it doesn't have any effect on the current re-openings.

I don’t really follow your logic. The Danish strategy is to test a lot of people and catch new cases early. Requiring a green corona passport when entering various establishments where transmission can happen, is both a way to decrease the chance of transmission in these places, and to force more people to get tested, to hopefully catch asymptomatic people before they infect too many other people.

The logic is that it's not the reason for reopening, nor its success: it will be successful in a few months if there is no next wave, or if it is not as high as some other places where such a thing will not be in place.

The reopening is possible because of previous actions, and its result will only be seen in a few months.

Re: Swiss Covid Certificate – Technical documentation of the swiss Covid certificate

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Post by xg15 »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #13

From the G7 agenda reporting: “ Last Friday morning, during an interview on Good Morning America, U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas said the Biden administration was taking “a very close look” at the possibility of vaccine passports for travel into and out of the United States. However by Friday afternoon the Department of Homeland Security was clarifying Mayorkas’ statement. The DHS says there won’…

> The U.S. is suspicious of many types of documentation. E.g. none needed for voting in many areas, etc. The culture tends towards erring on less bureaucracy.

I used to respect that viewpoint - but, honestly, I can't take it seriously anymore after we learned first of NSA mass surveillance and then of the loaded discussion about voter fraud and the byzantine voter registration procedures.

The US is still drawing up a specter from the cold war era while ignoring that those danger never materialized when national IDs where actually issued - and while actively developing tech that is far more invasive than a simple ID.

I think by now, introducing a federal ID could even help the fight against racism: If there was a single federal ID that was easily obtainable for any US citizen, that would remove the need for all the different and in part discriminatory registration systems, while still allowing voter fraud concerns to be addressed.

Re: Swiss Covid Certificate – Technical documentation of the swiss Covid certificate

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Post by ghoward »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #113
ghoward wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Watching the anti-COVID vaccine folks has helped me realize this isn't about medicine or science or understanding...its about selfishness. It really is about science because the vaccines have not been approved for general use yet. All they have is an Emergency Use Authorization. Edit: Also, we don't know the long-term effects of these vaccines. Those could be far worse than the virus. For people who are not vulnera…

Do you have an example of said side effects your concerned about? As far as I'm aware most of the vaccine side effects should have popped up by now, and if you're talking long term then we can't possibly know the side effects of any medication because you can always move out the goalpost another decade. The liberty being discussed here is to go to another country - that's never been an unrestrained freedom you had an…

Long-term side effects don't pop up right away, so no, I can't say what side effects I am worried about. However, I think a decade is about the right amount of time to watch.

I am not talking about a non-existent liberty. I am talking about "my body, my choice." If we decide that taking an experimental vaccine should be necessary for free and unrestricted travel across borders, what's to stop governments from implementing the same thing domestically? Or requiring vaccines to take part in the economy? We already see moves that direction, so I am not talking about a non-existent liberty.

Re: Swiss Covid Certificate – Technical documentation of the swiss Covid certificate

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

ghoward wrote: post #116
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have an example of said side effects your concerned about? As far as I'm aware most of the vaccine side effects should have popped up by now, and if you're talking long term then we can't possibly know the side effects of any medication because you can always move out the goalpost another decade. The liberty being discussed here is to go to another country - that's never been an unrestrained freedom you had an…

Long-term side effects don't pop up right away, so no, I can't say what side effects I am worried about. However, I think a decade is about the right amount of time to watch. I am not talking about a non-existent liberty. I am talking about "my body, my choice." If we decide that taking an experimental vaccine should be necessary for free and unrestricted travel across borders, what's to stop governments from impleme…

> Long-term side effects don't pop up right away, so no, I can't say what side effects I am worried about. However, I think a decade is about the right amount of time to watch.

So we can expect in 2031 you'll get vaccinated?

> If we decide that taking an experimental vaccine should be necessary for free and unrestricted travel across borders, what's to stop governments from implementing the same thing domestically?

Regarding restriction your movement, as GP states countries have had rules for vaccination during travel for a long time. You have no right to visit another country and countries are free to restrict your freedom of movement within their laws. That's not a liberty you possess, and you're making up scenarios to maximize your potential persecution. Unless that's seriously in discussion, which it's not, it's being dramatic for drama's sake.

Re: Swiss Covid Certificate – Technical documentation of the swiss Covid certificate

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Post by ghoward »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #117
ghoward wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Long-term side effects don't pop up right away, so no, I can't say what side effects I am worried about. However, I think a decade is about the right amount of time to watch. I am not talking about a non-existent liberty. I am talking about "my body, my choice." If we decide that taking an experimental vaccine should be necessary for free and unrestricted travel across borders, what's to stop governments from impleme…

> Long-term side effects don't pop up right away, so no, I can't say what side effects I am worried about. However, I think a decade is about the right amount of time to watch. So we can expect in 2031 you'll get vaccinated? > If we decide that taking an experimental vaccine should be necessary for free and unrestricted travel across borders, what's to stop governments from implementing the same thing domestically? R…

I am talking about domestic travel, not international.

During the hysteria, I believe either New York or Rhode Island restricted travel across those state borders, despite such restrictions being explicitly prohibited by the Constitution.

So I am not making up a scenario.

Also, by 2031 (if not already), COVID will be endemic. So no, I probably won't take the vaccine. But taking the vaccine at my age was not a good idea anyway (in my opinion).

Re: Swiss Covid Certificate – Technical documentation of the swiss Covid certificate

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Post by [deleted] »

ghoward wrote: post #118
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Long-term side effects don't pop up right away, so no, I can't say what side effects I am worried about. However, I think a decade is about the right amount of time to watch. So we can expect in 2031 you'll get vaccinated? > If we decide that taking an experimental vaccine should be necessary for free and unrestricted travel across borders, what's to stop governments from implementing the same thing domestically? R…

I am talking about domestic travel, not international. During the hysteria, I believe either New York or Rhode Island restricted travel across those state borders, despite such restrictions being explicitly prohibited by the Constitution. So I am not making up a scenario. Also, by 2031 (if not already), COVID will be endemic. So no, I probably won't take the vaccine. But taking the vaccine at my age was not a good id…

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Re: Swiss Covid Certificate – Technical documentation of the swiss Covid certificate

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

ghoward wrote: post #118
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Long-term side effects don't pop up right away, so no, I can't say what side effects I am worried about. However, I think a decade is about the right amount of time to watch. So we can expect in 2031 you'll get vaccinated? > If we decide that taking an experimental vaccine should be necessary for free and unrestricted travel across borders, what's to stop governments from implementing the same thing domestically? R…

I am talking about domestic travel, not international. During the hysteria, I believe either New York or Rhode Island restricted travel across those state borders, despite such restrictions being explicitly prohibited by the Constitution. So I am not making up a scenario. Also, by 2031 (if not already), COVID will be endemic. So no, I probably won't take the vaccine. But taking the vaccine at my age was not a good id…

Was anyone else talking about domestic travel?

> Also, by 2031 (if not already), COVID will be endemic. So no, I probably won't take the vaccine. But taking the vaccine at my age was not a good idea anyway (in my opinion).

I don't know what age you are, but you must not be talking statistically.

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