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The thing about smoking is that when you quit smoking you quit it every day. Imagine a light switch on the wall. You turn it off by quitting smoking and you can always go back at a desperate time for instance and turn it on. And some time later off again. Smoking your first cigarette implants that light switch on your mind and you can't make it go away. Since you know how it makes you feel good when the switch is on,…

I think Hodgkinson in "How to be idle" nailed it.

Smoking is one of the few things that changes your status by simply doing it: from being a John Doe you become a smoker.

«The smoker simultaneously injects and excuses idleness in his life with every cigarette»

«Many idlers love to smoke. It gives us something to do when we’re not doing anything.»

As a smoker who quit several times over the past 20 years and went from few cigarettes a week to 20 a day, back to 1 or 2 and then 20 again after the lockdown, I think the real threat is not the physical need, that is really easy to overcome, a few days and it's gone.

It's the idea of losing your status and missing the habit of being that kind of person that is really, really hard to win.

But it really sucks, we all know it, it's probably the most stupid thing a person can do, but we still fall for it.

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To this day, I can recall how a good one feels. The calm of a sunset. And I can remember how a bad one feels. The sore throat, cough, headache, numbness, sleeplessness, smell, and ennui of ignoring all that when preparing another one.

When bad memories had been accumulating for a long while, I quit. And it was easy to recall the bad ones whenever I would think of lighting one again. So I didn't. Even if I knew it'd be a good one. Because there would be bad ones after.

I won't forget the good ones either. And if I ever think I can just smoke the good ones, without smoking the bad ones after, then I'll start again.

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The thing about smoking is that when you quit smoking you quit it every day. Imagine a light switch on the wall. You turn it off by quitting smoking and you can always go back at a desperate time for instance and turn it on. And some time later off again. Smoking your first cigarette implants that light switch on your mind and you can't make it go away. Since you know how it makes you feel good when the switch is on,…

I quit smoking, and it was very very hard. I don't agree with you that the addiction, need and nicotine + other triggers will remain with me until the end of time. Deprogramming is part of the process of quitting to smoke. I do now never want to smoke. It is not attractive to me as a way to relax or focus. I can stand in a tobacco section of an airport taxfree shop holding a 5 cartons in my hands with absolutely no d…

Have you had any major stress events in your life since quitting?

I quit something myself and have felt much the same way, but I eventually had a string of very stressful events in my life that resulted in me seeking comfort in my old addiction.

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The thing about smoking is that when you quit smoking you quit it every day. Imagine a light switch on the wall. You turn it off by quitting smoking and you can always go back at a desperate time for instance and turn it on. And some time later off again. Smoking your first cigarette implants that light switch on your mind and you can't make it go away. Since you know how it makes you feel good when the switch is on,…

I think Hodgkinson in "How to be idle" nailed it. Smoking is one of the few things that changes your status by simply doing it: from being a John Doe you become a smoker. «The smoker simultaneously injects and excuses idleness in his life with every cigarette» «Many idlers love to smoke. It gives us something to do when we’re not doing anything.» As a smoker who quit several times over the past 20 years and went from…

I am absolutely not like this. I smoked a few times in high school >10 years ago, because I'm from a country basically everyone smokes. I didn't have the need or want to have another cigarette after high school because it wasn't as socially acceptable in communities I lived in. So I lost the interest. I never found it hard, nor ever found myself appealed to cigarettes after high school.

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The thing about smoking is that when you quit smoking you quit it every day. Imagine a light switch on the wall. You turn it off by quitting smoking and you can always go back at a desperate time for instance and turn it on. And some time later off again. Smoking your first cigarette implants that light switch on your mind and you can't make it go away. Since you know how it makes you feel good when the switch is on,…

This isn't the same for everyone and it nothing to do with willpower or discipline. My grandparents smoked for roughly 50 years before my grandfather's health deteriorated to the extent he was diagnosed with emphysema and admitted to hospital. My grandmother immediately disposed of all cigarettes and lighters in the house. Neither of them ever smoked again.

My grandfather lived for a few more years as his health declined further. About two years after his last cigarette he confided in me that not a day goes past where he doesn't crave a cigarette. But he never asked for one. He never caved.

My grandmother had a fairly strong physical reaction to quitting initially. She was shocked when her doctor told her the shaking was due to physical withdrawal. She said she felt no different to a heroin addict. But after this physical shock subsided, that was it. She never craved a cigarette again. What's more, she became disgusted by the smell of cigarette smoke encountered in public. It was simply gone from her life.

The difference here is in the psychologically addictive element of cigarettes. Both grandparents had the same physical addiction, but that's nothing. Anyone can overcome that. But the psychological element seemingly ranges from non-existent to unstoppable.

I have experienced the psychologically addictive nature of cigarettes myself, even though I've never smoked. A friend bought some cheap disposable, nicotine-free, e-cigarettes and gave me one. Initially I was going to take it apart and see how it worked. But I tried it, of course. Then I tried it again. And again. There's something about it. Suck through the little pipe. Fill your lungs. See it glow. Exhale the vapour/smoke. My usage was exponential, until it ran out. I immediately considered buying another one. Then I caught myself. I had become addicted to this thing. It's that easy.

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Why do people start smoking? Surely they know it's addictive, expensive, and bad for you

Alcohol is also addictive expensive and bad for you, and yet no one asks why anyone would drink alcohol

Right but if someone did, there might be some good answers. Do you have any good answers for why someone takes up smoking?

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I think Hodgkinson in "How to be idle" nailed it. Smoking is one of the few things that changes your status by simply doing it: from being a John Doe you become a smoker. «The smoker simultaneously injects and excuses idleness in his life with every cigarette» «Many idlers love to smoke. It gives us something to do when we’re not doing anything.» As a smoker who quit several times over the past 20 years and went from…

I am absolutely not like this. I smoked a few times in high school >10 years ago, because I'm from a country basically everyone smokes. I didn't have the need or want to have another cigarette after high school because it wasn't as socially acceptable in communities I lived in. So I lost the interest. I never found it hard, nor ever found myself appealed to cigarettes after high school.

I started smoking at the age of 23, so I am probably much more stupid than the average smoker who started or tried it first time in high school.

I immediately lost interest, it's a terrible habit, I never smoked in the morning, rarely during the day, only at night when I'm out with other people, but I keep going back because... I don't even know why.

One thing is sure, if I have something meaningful to do I don't even think about cigarettes.

So in my case boredom is probably the main drive.

Other people might have other reasons to do it.

But it's absolutely something that every smoker should fight as hard as they can, because nothing good can come out of it.

One thing that really helped me to reduce my addiction to just 1 or 2 cigarettes a day has been avoiding "the bad ones".

Those cigarettes that you smoke knowing you won't even enjoy them.

I smoked one after dinner and one after a drink and that was enough.

If you start associating the habit of lighting up one after everyday activities - a coffee, waiting for someone or something, watching a movie, drinking a beer - that's when you are screwed and should understand you're smoking too much. Easier said than done, I know, but it worked on me until I let it win again.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I quit smoking, and it was very very hard. I don't agree with you that the addiction, need and nicotine + other triggers will remain with me until the end of time. Deprogramming is part of the process of quitting to smoke. I do now never want to smoke. It is not attractive to me as a way to relax or focus. I can stand in a tobacco section of an airport taxfree shop holding a 5 cartons in my hands with absolutely no d…

Have you had any major stress events in your life since quitting? I quit something myself and have felt much the same way, but I eventually had a string of very stressful events in my life that resulted in me seeking comfort in my old addiction.

oddly enough i only quit after a major stress event in my life, but that was such an experience where i managed to quit multiple things at once because i almost died haha good times

Re: On Smoking

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do people start smoking? Surely they know it's addictive, expensive, and bad for you

Alcohol is also addictive expensive and bad for you, and yet no one asks why anyone would drink alcohol

Alcohol has gourmet attributes and is a good social lubricant. The question is more around whether those two attributes warrant ingesting what is essentially poison.

I don't think I've ever heard a cigarette smoker comment on the taste of their cigarette (cigars are the exception here) and the high, especially for regular smokers, is near non-existent. So for cigarettes the initial appeal is much less obvious.

I'd assume most people start smoking due to social pressure/trying to fit in.

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Alcohol is also addictive expensive and bad for you, and yet no one asks why anyone would drink alcohol

Smoking is magnitudes more addictive than alcohol. Regardless, a lot of people do ask why anyone would drink alcohol, given that it offers up an enormous array of detrimental health effects, the possibility of addiction and social troubles (DUI, violence, etc), and as a mental "holiday" altered state is an incredibly poor mechanism. Alcohol hangs around because it was accessible in earlier eras. There will come a tim…

That's already been tried before, and it resulted in the US government deliberately poisoning people, widespread organised crime, and a lot of methanol poisoning.

Turns out it's really hard to ban something you can make in a 20 gallon drum from yeast and sugar.

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