Google’s new popup will further weaken Facebook’s advertisement business • Hacker News Board

Re: Google’s new popup will further weaken Facebook’s advertisement business

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Post by wizzwizz4 » Mon, May 31, 2021, 6:29 PM UTC

neatze wrote: post #90

tpmx wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Going slightly tangential: It seems like there are a lot more political activists working at Google. It also seems likely that this will backfire in a spectacular way at some point. The risk here is politically strategic data leaks of individual user data - not Cambridge Analytica-like situations. Could be blackmail material on a few key people, or perhaps a giant data leak on millions of people from the "enemy side"…

What is not dangerous ?

Nothing. Therefore I'll go skydiving without a parachute; hopefully that water I can see down there is deep enough.

After all, not skydiving is also dangerous.

Re: Google’s new popup will further weaken Facebook’s advertisement business

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Post by jollybean » Mon, May 31, 2021, 6:29 PM UTC

So, Google can make sure they are the only one's tracking you? I see. No conflict of interest there!

Re: Google’s new popup will further weaken Facebook’s advertisement business

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Post by wizzwizz4 » Mon, May 31, 2021, 6:31 PM UTC

romanhn wrote: post #109

AbuAssar wrote: post #103

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What is that supposed to mean?

The app stores are the gardens, and Facebook is ultimately at the whim of the gardener. Also, see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_platform

On the contrary: Facebook is a garden full of people. If all the app stores banned Facebook, many people would work to get Facebook back – even those who don't like Facebook.

Re: Google’s new popup will further weaken Facebook’s advertisement business

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Post by heymijo » Mon, May 31, 2021, 6:31 PM UTC

rmsaksida wrote: post #53

motoboi wrote: post #4

So we basically are seeing that google was "right" from their point of view in securing a mobile OS. Facebook maybe thought this day would never arrive and could have avoided that by doing their own mobile OS too. Well, maybe they declared this battle as lost and focused on the next one: VR. Problem is that VR took too long to arrive and death on mobile can kill Facebook?

> Problem is that VR took too long to arrive and death on mobile can kill Facebook? Facebook owns the most popular messaging app in the world (WhatsApp) and two of the most popular social networks in the world (Facebook, Instagram). Are they really in trouble because of the Android/iOS changes?

Welcome to Milton Friedman's capitalism. Beat earnings expectations every quarter into perpetuity or watch your share price drop.

Re: Google’s new popup will further weaken Facebook’s advertisement business

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Post by GeekyBear » Mon, May 31, 2021, 6:33 PM UTC

nahkoots wrote: post #73

danaris wrote: post #68

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Get an iPhone. Whatever else you may think of them, Apple is deliberately working to prevent this sort of crap from happening without your knowledge and consent.

They've also taken a hardline stance against right to repair, which is a deal breaker for a lot of HN. Unfortunately, there aren't many modern options for people who care about both owning their devices and not being spied on by them.

>They've also taken a hardline stance against right to repair

By which you mean Google, Microsoft and Apple?

>Apple, Google & Microsoft Have Teamed up to Block the Right-to-Repair Law

https://wccftech.com/apple-google-microsoft-team-up-to-stop-...

Re: Google’s new popup will further weaken Facebook’s advertisement business

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Post by Leherenn » Mon, May 31, 2021, 6:35 PM UTC

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #106

oauea wrote: post #94

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Easy access to push notifications (which can be sketchy, but doesn't have to be) and believe it or not: Letting users put a shortcut on their homescreen. Sure, you can place a shortcut to a PWA in the Chrome browser but most users won't be configuring that, even if you guide them through it.

In Brave/FF mobile you open then menu and click "add to home screen", do other browsers not have that? Push notifications are pretty common on the web now, aren't they? (I don't use them).

Both Chrome and Safari have the "add to home screen", but Safari doesn't have push notifications, not even for "installed" webapp.

Re: Google’s new popup will further weaken Facebook’s advertisement business

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Post by QuadmasterXLII » Mon, May 31, 2021, 6:36 PM UTC

realusername wrote: post #43

speeder wrote: post #5

Whenever I read articles like this, I get more and more horrified. I mean, I know that adtech spy on us a lot, but I didn't knew for example that using Bluetooth while the app is shut down was possible. Makes me very wary even of dumbphones, for example I bought a dumbphone recently, and yet it came with Facebook and Google Assistant both pre-installed.

There's a reason everybody wants you to install their app instead of just using their website, there's much more opportunity of tracking.

To hurt you. The reason is to hurt you and it's unfortunate that we're in denial about it.

Re: Google’s new popup will further weaken Facebook’s advertisement business

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Post by animanoir » Mon, May 31, 2021, 6:55 PM UTC

I hope both companies burn in hell.

Re: Google’s new popup will further weaken Facebook’s advertisement business

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Post by mrtksn » Mon, May 31, 2021, 7:10 PM UTC

jfengel wrote: post #59

esrauch wrote: post #55

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There's several reasons why everyone wants you to install the app, some of which aren't sketchy.

Seriously, what are they? Every time I get pointed at an app, I can only think of https://xkcd.com/1174/

A few out of my head:

1) Shortcut on the homescreen by simply tapping 1 button(install) instead of hoping that the user will somehow remember you. WebApp shortcuts are quite involved.

2) Sign in once with a forever session. I hate apps where I need to sign in again because having an App is a great opportunity to have one time sign in that runs through generations of phone upgrades. Even better, the sign in doesn't have to involve the user, the data will be there and not accidentally deleted which means that the presence of the app is as good as username and password.

3) Immersive experience means better user experience. The UI becomes part of the Phone's UI instead of another App's UI's sub UI. A well designed app is very effective. I haven't seen a well designed mobile Web App, Web is great for websites and "possible to do" Mobile Web Apps.

4) Smaller download sizes, faster launches. A website would usually download a few MB of scripts and images, an App without bloated frameworks would be easily around that size and will download it only once. It will be ready to use in less than 0.5s every time.

5) Any advanced stuff is done much better natively even if it is possible to do through the browser. This is because the browser put extra boundaries around the boundaries that has due to the OS boundaries.

Re: Google’s new popup will further weaken Facebook’s advertisement business

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Post by burnished » Mon, May 31, 2021, 7:15 PM UTC

esrauch wrote: post #55

realusername wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a reason everybody wants you to install their app instead of just using their website, there's much more opportunity of tracking.

There's several reasons why everyone wants you to install the app, some of which aren't sketchy.

I have an app for most sites, its called my browser. If the app isn't taking advantage of a feature on my phone then it doesn't make sense to package it as an app.. unless they are getting something out of it. Going to make a broad and sweeping generalization here: they are getting money from tracking.