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Re: Tesla Rescinds Job Offer

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Post by prirun »

xtracto wrote: post #97
ffhhj wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A clever tatic to remove key employees from competitors.

Right. You can promise whatever exhorbitant amount of money, perks and projects that dont exist . One day before the start date you just rescind the fictional offer. This is so unethical there should be a 1 or 2 month "deposit" for these cases haha

It seems reasonable to me that this would work just like a house offer: if the offer is accepted, it should be the basis of a contract where the new hire pays if he/she backs out, and the company lays you off with severance if they back out.

Re: Tesla Rescinds Job Offer

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Post by alephnan »

kerng wrote: post #71

Had a similar experience with Google a few months back - very disappointing how some companies play with people's future.

Not saying Google is special, but never attribute to malice what you can attribute to incompetence

The whole pipeline with temp recruiters at Google could be one explaination

Re: Tesla Rescinds Job Offer

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Post by senbarryobama »

PeterBannon wrote: post #83
jschwartzi wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't this promissory estoppel? Like they promised that you would start at a certain date, causing you to quit your current job. Then they withdrew the promise, causing you to be unemployed.

At the time I was not in a position to legally challenge Tesla. I realized I had been dealing with a bad company and took work elsewhere. But I will never forget what Tesla did to me.

Did you end up getting your old job back?

Re: Tesla Rescinds Job Offer

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Post by stormbrew »

cercatrova wrote: post #92
stormbrew wrote: post #29

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If you're hoping to negotiate a counter from your current employer maybe you should have multiple, it probably gives you a stronger hand. If you're leaving either way why would you? And this isn't about 0 offers vs. many, it's 1 offer vs. many.

You'd negotiate between the companies that gave you offers, not between you and your current employer, although you can do that too but it's not recommended, due to them knowing you'll leave.

ok but that's still not really what this is about. Leveraging multiple offers for better pay is a solid strategy for a particular fiscal goal, but it's not something that's advised (that I've ever seen) to avoid the situation described in this post (an accepted offer being revoked).

Nor does it really protect you anyways, if you accept one of those offers and then reject the others after your starting date, but the one you picked lets you go the next day you'll still be in a very weakened negotiating position again when you come back for a do-over on the other offers.

Re: Tesla Rescinds Job Offer

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Post by PeterBannon »

hirundo wrote: post #105
PeterBannon wrote: post #65

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This is my throwaway Hacker News account named after the relevant director at Tesla: https://www.linkedin.com/in/peterbannon I'm sorry you found this so confusing.

It's not just confusing but unethical. The confusion serves to put words in another person's mouth. It is a kind of impersonation. Please retire this account.

Well, as I said, it's a throwaway account, i.e., created for a single comment tree.

I won't be using it again (because it's a throwaway account) but not because I want to protect Peter Bannon.

Also, I disagree that it's unethical. Obviously you can't infer who's talking simply from the name of a Hacker News account. For example, if my account name was ElonMusk123, it would be naive to assume I was Elon Musk.

Re: Tesla Rescinds Job Offer

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Post by judge2020 »

PeterBannon wrote: post #83
jschwartzi wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't this promissory estoppel? Like they promised that you would start at a certain date, causing you to quit your current job. Then they withdrew the promise, causing you to be unemployed.

At the time I was not in a position to legally challenge Tesla. I realized I had been dealing with a bad company and took work elsewhere. But I will never forget what Tesla did to me.

If you have no actual preliminary evidence that Tesla did this you probably wouldn't have a case - getting to deposition (and thus getting access to emails for evidence) requires claims to have some basis and rescinding a job offer can be explained by many other things easily. (I am not your lawyer, of course)

Re: Tesla Rescinds Job Offer

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Post by AstralStorm »

xtracto wrote: post #97
ffhhj wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A clever tatic to remove key employees from competitors.

Right. You can promise whatever exhorbitant amount of money, perks and projects that dont exist . One day before the start date you just rescind the fictional offer. This is so unethical there should be a 1 or 2 month "deposit" for these cases haha

Or you could just ask them to put the offer in writing before changing jobs. In which case, you have a proper cause for a lawsuit much better than trying for implied contract.

Re: Tesla Rescinds Job Offer

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Post by kodah »

paxys wrote: post #81
sarah180 wrote: post #49

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I mean anybody can sue anybody for anything, but to win damages you'd have to prove that either Tesla intended to mess up his previous job or that they were negligent (based on a legal duty of care). IANAL, but this seems unlikely.

Exactly. At most you can claim damages if you signed a lease or something explicitly for the new job, but beyond that you are out of luck.

If you ask for a start date, then cancel your offer are you not willfully doing damage? You're just saying, that damage doesn't mean that much to me. I'm guessing willful and intent are legal definitions though.

Re: Tesla Rescinds Job Offer

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Post by AstralStorm »

ishansharma wrote: post #75
pkaye wrote: post #46

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I've read in France you need to give a notice period to your employer thought they can waive it. Not sure what is the consequence if they just walked out. https://www.eurofound.europa.eu/observatories/emcc/erm/legis... Also I know from someone that worked in India that the employer would hold back some money which would be forfeited if they left without giving a notice period. Not sure how common that is.

Re: India. It’s very common. Large IT firms like Tech Mahindra, Cognizant etc do it. I had offers from a company where they wanted around 1 year salary of signed check. If I leave before 2 years, they use the check. Some companies go a step ahead and keep your original documents (Degree certificate etc) so you can’t apply elsewhere after accepting offer. It’s ridiculous.

And probably should be illegal. For one, a notarized version is supposed to have the same weight as original. Unless this is mentioned in the contract, they cannot legally hold your personal belongings either.

Re: Tesla Rescinds Job Offer

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Post by snotrockets »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #63
snotrockets wrote: post #11

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But you may not get good refs (necessary for future employment) if you try to play by the same rules as the employer and give no notice. Even if the mandatory notice period is equal, the power balance isn't.

I think the asymmetry goes both ways. If you leave a job under bad circumstances, maybe a half dozen people will hear about it in the future (and even that might be over counting... I've worked at places where you're not allowed to say anything other than "yes that person worked here worked here with that job title"). On the other hand, Charlie's ref about how Tesla treats prospective employees has been seen by thous…

This post is going to cost Tesla sourcers a few rejected calls, a small change for them.

It cost a person 6+ weeks of unemployment.

There’s never a balance between employee and employer, and it is always tilted towards the employer.

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