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Transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk

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Re: Transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk

#111

Unbelievable that they'd go through this charade to arrest ~Snowden~ Protasevich.

Every time someone makes this comparison all it does is strengthen Lukashenko and Putin's propaganda machine. It doesn't help Protasevich, it doesn't help Snowden, and it doesn't create room for any positive political change.

It's an apt comparison. And if we don't like the consequences, all the more reason to reflect on our own actions

Re: Transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk

#112

Unbelievable that they'd go through this charade to arrest ~Snowden~ Protasevich.

Denying access to airspace of a private plane feels a little different than forcing a commercial plane to land with threat (and real actions) of violence. The level of crimes involved is also an important distinction. What Snowden did is illegal in pretty much every single country in the world (if committed against that country). On the other hand, what Protasevich did, many countries have laws to protect such actions. I'm not saying I agree with how either situation was handled (or laws involved, etc), but a 1:1 correlation between the two is ignoring important details.

Re: Transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk

#113
post #7

> Pilot: Again, this recommendation to divert to Minsk where did it come from? Where did it come from? Company? Did it come from departure airport authorities or arrival airport authorities? Is it usual for a pilot to ask for all this information? From a "casual reader" perspective, it looks like the pilot really did not want to divert, but this might just be my reading.

PIC is ultimately responsible for safety of flight, not controllers or authorities. Given the unusual message which is essentially asking the pilot to declare emergency and oddly specific instructions to divert I don't think this is unusual. Normally in an emergency the pilot would divert to either the filed alternate airport or to another at the pilot's discretion, they would not be told specifically where to go (th…

It is not uncommon in US for ATC to offer pilot options for diversion or emergency landing when pilot declares an emergency. Good controllers understand that pilot might be dealing with flying airplane and dealing with emergency (e.g. engine failure) and offering help with navigation. Of course, it is PIC responsibility to select the best option and communicate to ATC about it.

Re: Transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk

#114

The controller[s] were probably just as powerless as the pilot (considering the fighter escort). Get that plane to land, period. Were they reading from a script and did they improvise?

The pilot is not powerless at all in "usual" emergencies. Declaring an emergency allows them to do pretty much anything. Once you get hijacked by a fighter plane though, that's a different story.

> The pilot is not powerless at all in "usual" emergencies. Declaring an emergency allows them to do pretty much anything.

Arguably once you are within firing range of two Mig-29's, the power dynamics changes slightly.

Re: Transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk

#115
post #60

Don't forget that the country that started to divert planes to catch democrat dissidents was the United States. But Snowden wasn't in the plane. Details here: https://greenwald.substack.com/p/as-anger-toward-belarus-mou...

The US (really its NATO allies) made no attempt to arrest Snowden (not that he was present) on the Morales plane. They simply said you can't fly him out over NATO airspace. If they wanted to pull the trick used here, they would have let Morales into German airspace and then intercepted the aircraft and forced it down. They did not.

Re: Transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk

#116
If one attempts to scratch the facade of a "great" long-ruling leader one will be torn down with all available means. Regardless whether the leader is a chancellor of a developed country, member of a major political dynasty in superpower country, or a head of a poor authocratic state. Only difference is Belarus cannot afford to buy some positive press. Go ahead western world, agitate these poor youngsters to hop into abyss. They don't seem to be aware that the stake is not IG sponsorship deal but their life.

Re: Transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk

#117
Are airliners in contact with their airlines, via say satelite phone?

Would the pilot be able to verify with Ryanair HQ whether they know about the bomb threat they are being fed from ATC?

Of course when the recomendation is accompanied by a fighter jet one doesn't have a choice regardless, but I'm still curious whether they are at ATC's mercy for information.

Re: Transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk

#118
post #28

The caa.gov.by news release has a much more complete (Belarusian-sourced) transcript than the edited Reuters one: http://caa.gov.by/ru/news-ru/view/1-203/ EDIT: copy-pasta from (Belarusian) source https://gist.github.com/SpComb/849b97bae720cb77ab4c43ef92dae...

You can not possibly trust their version.

but you can blindly trust reuters?

Re: Transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk

#119
post #117

Are airliners in contact with their airlines, via say satelite phone? Would the pilot be able to verify with Ryanair HQ whether they know about the bomb threat they are being fed from ATC? Of course when the recomendation is accompanied by a fighter jet one doesn't have a choice regardless, but I'm still curious whether they are at ATC's mercy for information.

I would imagine that a pilot couldn't give two fucks about what the airline has to say when they think it's a life safety issue.

Re: Transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk

#120
The people who collaborate with these regimes should be publicly named. I wouldn't be surprised if the agents would have detonated an actual bomb if the fake threat hadn't worked.

Perhaps Russia has already done this in the past, and went undetected due to ISIS trying to take credit? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metrojet_Flight_9268

Honestly, it's becoming harder by the day to view them as people. Ever since 2014 I've wonder if the world would simply be better off without Russia and it's satellite states. I've never met someone from these countries that was worthwhile. Not once.

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