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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by dahfizz »

rm445 wrote: post #49
defaultname wrote: post #11

The aspect I'm most curious about is towing range. I have a 5000lb travel trailer that I tow about 200km away a few times a year. I'm pretty sure I'd be out of luck with a vehicle like this. It has the ability to pull the trailer with ease, but most preliminary estimates are that range would be two digits with that sort of load. In my current vehicle I do stop for gas midway, but it would be an entirely different sit…

The occasional heavy-duty trip is a reasonable use case for a range extender (as in, an IC engine gen-set) either towed or on the truck bed.

The idea of having a gas-powered generator in the bed of an electric truck is both genius and hilarious to me.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by haroldl »

There is no picture of the entry level model; it says "coming soon". Since the Ford F-150 usually costs a lot to upgrade to 4 full-size doors and a navigation computer, I'm wondering if that will be the case here too. Near the bottom of the page it looks like you have to upgrade two levels to the "Lariat" configuration to get that 15.5 inch touchscreen.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by AshamedCaptain »

QuarterReptile wrote: post #58

We've added ~1000lb to the weight of these monstrosities (now 6,500lb), faster acceleration from a stop, and preserved the enormous front, with its twin features of blindspot and zero chance that someone can roll over top of it when you hit them. But now it's there for trunk space...

The song from the Simpson's canyonero advert is still stuck in my head after seeing this

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by neither_color »

perardi wrote: post #23

I have no idea if this’ll be lightning or a lead balloon, because a significant amount of pickup truck buyers do it for the machismo. Which sounds like some city-slicker talking down to the cheap seats, except, I grew up in a town named Farmington. (Go Farmers.) I know pickups. I know the people who drive pickups. My dad sneers at fancy new pickups because he used to shove a good 700 pounds of mink pelts in a pickup,…

After reading your comment I went and CTRL-Fd the page for green, environment, carbon and sustainable. These words either don't appear or aren't selling points.

Ford's marketing department knows what they're doing, they're marketing this truck as tough and powerful. I like it.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by jtdev »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #27
dubcanada wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, so you're against cars? I am confused as to what any of that has to do with the new electric F-150.

EVs are heavier by nature (this vehicle’s battery pack alone is ~1800 lbs). Your average driver is not good at driving. The F150 sells very well. Ergo, more risk of more property damage and human harm. You can’t get around physics. More mass with more force carries more risk.

Does being hit by a 6500 lb vehicle as a cyclist or pedestrian really differ materially from being hit by a 7500 lb vehicle...?

Constantly telling people that existing on earth as a human is bad for x, y, z is a good strategy if you want people to tune out and stop paying attention to what you're saying.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by namdnay »

HideousKojima wrote: post #73
namdnay wrote: post #4

I guess the fact that's it's electric is a good step. But it seems insane to me that we don't do more to discourage massive consumption of what should be utility vehicles. I'm willing to be 80% of people buying an f150 or similar never have been and never will be building contractors or lumberjacks.

I take it you've never had to: 1. Take a bunch of trash/old furniture/whatever to the dump 2. Move furniture 3. Pick up materials for a home renovation like 16 foot long baseboards, drywall, a few dozen boxes of laminate flooring, etc. (no need to be a professional construction contractor here) 4. Tow a camping trailer 5. Much, much more I'm literally using my truck tonight to pick up ~500 square feet of flooring mat…

of course I have for (1-3), as have nearly all home owners across the world.. and honestly for this type of stuff a dedicated light dump truck is way more useful (especially for emptying massive quantities of building or garden debris at the tip). and that's what? 100 dollars a day? how many days a year are you really going to need to do that? 3-4 ?

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by rdiddly »

It's great. Lose the oversize "frunk" and poor visibility, most of the cockpit distractions, all the electronic surveillance crap, 80% of these features, and cut the price in half, and I might consider it!

Because of the rental vehicle shortage I was free-upgraded to an F-150 recently. You can haul stuff in it just fine, but in the front it's too tall, ridiculously tall. It's a bloated and stupid vehicle. The feature bloat you read about here, well obviously that's just more bloat of a different kind.

The problem isn't that it's electric; that part is great. The problem is that it's an F-150.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by endisneigh »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #87
endisneigh wrote: post #50

I'm curious, with the advent of electric what's the advantage of a truck vs. a minivan for a lot of situations? IIRC there were literal space constraints before which is why a minivan couldn't tow like a truck, but since the motor and batteries sit underneath the car, couldn't one build a van/minivan with just as much power as this? If that's the case, other than hauling very tall objects, why get a truck? A minivan…

The advantage of a truck is you can carry more, or taller things, and they don't get the inside of your vehicle dirty. imagine you just mowed a wet, muddy lawn, do you want the mower in the back of your minivan, or in the bed of truck? Also, many tall things that you might haul in the back of truck can't simply be reposition into a minivan (tall and long or tall and many).

Ah yes, that's a good point. Other than tall or dirty objects, is there any reason to get a truck? Genuinely curious, because at some point I'll have kids and wonder what the trade-off is between minivan (more people) and truck (more hauling) is with an electric vehicle.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by mfer »

ameister14 wrote: post #48
CalRobert wrote: post #8

It's great to see the best selling vehicle in the US be zero emissions. It's wonderful. But this truck will be very heavy, very tall, and very fast. Drivers are already the leading killers of children, and more and more people are being killed while walking and cycling. I'm very worried about the effect of making this vehicle even faster and heavier. Hopefully reduced deaths from pollution offset this.

>Drivers are already the leading killers of children, and more and more people are being killed while walking and cycling. I think more worrisome is the center console - pedestrian deaths had been going down for 20 years until smartphones became widespread and we've had increases every year since.

With the introduction of smart phones and social media we've seen lots of negative effects increase. For example, teen suicide was decreasing until they were introduced and then started to increase again. Girls especially.

I wish there was more discussion and acknowledgement of the dangers here.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by heymijo »

namdnay wrote: post #4

I guess the fact that's it's electric is a good step. But it seems insane to me that we don't do more to discourage massive consumption of what should be utility vehicles. I'm willing to be 80% of people buying an f150 or similar never have been and never will be building contractors or lumberjacks.

I thought it was due to fuel standard requirements and loopholes between autos and light trucks like the F-150.

Cars and mid size SUVs all seem to be converging on the same shape with minor differences where as trucks still have some individuality.

So I went to check this supposition out and whew, I’m confused.

CAFE standards, harmonic means, compliance flexibility, offset credits are all more than I can wrap my head around from my smartphone.

Not to mention trying to read the actual CAFE regulation is very convoluted.

Anyways, I thought I had an answer for you but all I’ve got is a rabbit hole in crawling out of.

https://reason.org/e-brief/cafe-standards-in-plain-english/

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