YouTube ads in Safari: you see them now, will you see them in the future?

Post by topicseed » Wed, May 19, 2021, 10:54 PM UTC

decasteve wrote: post #89

topicseed wrote: post #67

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You're mentioning the end user's learned expectation to get videos for free. But what about the creator's expectation to get paid for their hard-earned views, to then pay for the gear purchased and the production of the entire video, including team members? If you're really anti ads, don't take the content for free, find another piece of content that answers your ad-free philosophy.

I'm saying platforms can't have it both ways. If they want to avoid ad-blockers and video downloaders then pick another medium, or invent one and create a new thing that achieves this objective. The web is not TV. Public content on the web is public and user-rendered. That's what made the web and YouTube what it is today. YouTube has every right to create a proprietary YouTube client (which they do on mobile devices)…

Post by sangnoir » Wed, May 19, 2021, 10:55 PM UTC

_Algernon_ wrote: post #92

defaultname wrote: post #85

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If we go down that road, however, sites can make ads completely indistinguishable from desired content. Same domain, same stream, no easily marked container. All of the imperative adblocking tech in the world, short of queuing everything through a neural engine post render, can block what is possible. So there has always been a detente between adblockers and publishers, presuming the former hit a small enough set of…

That would require delivering ads from first-party servers, right? So third-party ad and tracking networks would die a painful death.

Post by babypuncher » Wed, May 19, 2021, 11:02 PM UTC

csunbird wrote: post #39

twobitshifter wrote: post #2

The battle between ad platforms and users is going to be never ending. For YouTube, the _right_ thing to do is to pay for the premium option which removes ads. Otherwise as difficult as it is to say, you are getting something for nothing and people do make a living from YouTube videos. Ok, maybe you can contribute to a patreon outside of YouTube, but you’re not going to do that for everyone and those videos are not s…

But Google is going to use my data for advertising, with or without premium. An adblocker gives me the luxury of not seeing ads while keeping my data private.

Post by josho » Wed, May 19, 2021, 11:08 PM UTC

viktorcode wrote: post #44

There's some misconceptions being put forth in the article which I, as a developer of a Safari ad blocker, would like to address. Content blockers are limited by design to ensure privacy and speed, but they may work together with other kinds of Safari extension. So, when AdGuard guys say that the only debugging tool you can use is Console, know that this isn’t true. There’s SFSafariExtensionHandler API which you can…

Post by senkora » Wed, May 19, 2021, 11:15 PM UTC

_Algernon_ wrote: post #92

defaultname wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If we go down that road, however, sites can make ads completely indistinguishable from desired content. Same domain, same stream, no easily marked container. All of the imperative adblocking tech in the world, short of queuing everything through a neural engine post render, can block what is possible. So there has always been a detente between adblockers and publishers, presuming the former hit a small enough set of…

That would require delivering ads from first-party servers, right? So third-party ad and tracking networks would die a painful death.