Haha I guessed racism. Man I'm like 10/10 at guessing the proposed american narratives lately.
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Bob Dylan lays down what killed rock n roll (2016)
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#112I often reflect on the similiarities to that and how techno and house became EDM. When I started going to Midwestern raves in the 1990s they were literally some of the first fully integrated places I hung out in. Definitely some of the Detroit techno parties we went too, some of the first places where it was a majority Black space. EDM now is thought of as this totally white music, all electronic music really, by eve…
Yeah before PLUR and candyravers in the early 90s it was just warehouse parties and you'd see all kinds of people there. Gay/straight/black/white/young/old. I can still remember some black guy in a suit out dancing in the middle of the floor.
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#113I think that the narrative of last twenty years has been a re-blending of genre in a way that is not fully appreciated. While you can certainly find plenty of music that fits the mold established in the 60s, 80s or 90s around you also find much more at the top of the charts that challenges those categories. Right now the top 10 Billboard chart includes Lil Nas X and The Weeknd, neither of whom fits comfortably in the…
To compare this to the 1950s is... very strange. For listeners, the broadening of access to the full diversity of music between 1950 and 1990 was unprecedented in history and will never happen again, simply due to the rise of technology, and the sudden access to all the traditions of the world within a single generation. > Lil Nas X and The Weeknd, neither of whom fits comfortably in the genre they are assigned to by…
I love Reich's early tape loops.. they were so ahead of their time. When I first hear them, I was stunned at how modern-sounding parts of them are.
But I completely and utterly disagree with his view that "the purpose of music was for humans to play and sing together as a group activity"
Music, and any other complex human activity (like visual art, or literature) is just way too rich and varied to have any one or definitive purpose.
What might make sense or be the purpose of music for one person might not for another. Someone (like myself) might enjoy making music alone, and who is Reich to presume to tell me that we're doing it wrong?
Of course, he's welcome to make music in groups if he wants. I'm not going to tell him he's doing it wrong either.
Parenthetically, I enjoy making music in groups too, but that's just not the only way I enjoy making music, and don't think I'm missing "the purpose of music" when I'm working alone.
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#114What killed rock n roll is the same thing that "killed" every other music genre before: Demographics. People get older and young people want to differentiate themselves from older people, so they just do different things, including listening to different music. This even happened with what we consider classical music, from Beethoven Eroica to Stravinski Rite of Spring and specially Operas. Old people will consider a…
Classical music is 300+ years old. I also love Opera as do my parents and grandparents. I think it is more about what gets played on the radio. The music is good and new. That tricks our brain into pursuing it. Eventually each genre finds its own classics that basically capture most of the attention.
"it is more about what gets played on the radio. The music is good and new"
But is it good?
That's a matter of taste.
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#115Dylan’s 1966 “moto accident” ended rock N roll / end of story
The album that would have come after Blonde On Blonde (hinted at on Eat The Document (1/2) would have been like angels on ze livewire)
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_j-1n5g8fM0
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https://m.facebook.com/vidclosetphx/videos/2709040459351627/
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#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
To compare this to the 1950s is... very strange. For listeners, the broadening of access to the full diversity of music between 1950 and 1990 was unprecedented in history and will never happen again, simply due to the rise of technology, and the sudden access to all the traditions of the world within a single generation. > Lil Nas X and The Weeknd, neither of whom fits comfortably in the genre they are assigned to by…
You miss the point. Lil Nas X and The Weeknd are placed in R&B almost exclusively because they are black. In your eyes, sung by a white person in 1986, would be synth pop. Did Billy Ray Cyrus make Old Town Road suddenly country? Is Montero (call me by your name) rap or a gay dance anthem?
As an X'er, The Weeknd's latest music does sound amazingly to me like a callback to early 80s's new wave synth pop. "Save Your Tears" could've been an OMD single. As such, to me, it's a powerful challenge to existing musical categories.
But to how many people younger than me does this really register?
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#117Is it possible that the internet killed mass culture? i think that music gets big when a large number of young guys identify with it; rock n roll was big in the twentieth century (be it r&b, rock, punk, metall or hip-hop), when everyone was listening to the same radio stations and you could easily push the same narrative down their throat; nowadays things seem to be much more fragmented (for whatever reason) and it is quite common to listen to a more varied combination of tunes.
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#118Is it possible that the internet killed mass culture? i think that music gets big when a large number of young guys identify with it; rock n roll was big in the twentieth century (be it r&b, rock, punk, metall or hip-hop), when everyone was listening to the same radio stations and you could easily push the same narrative down their throat; nowadays things seem to be much more fragmented (for whatever reason) and it i…
I have been thinking on this heavily, and the social implications of it, I do believe the internet killed the common cultural thread Americans had, for better or worse.
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#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hip hip is the philosophy of survival in a racist culture. It dies when the racism dies.
Oh come off it. Little to no mainstream hip hop addresses racism in any meaningful way. It’s still mostly sex, drugs, objectifying women, glorifying the rich, and violence.
That's just silly and I have to question your exposure to the genre. Some of mainsteam hip hop's biggest hits have dealt with racism: This Is America, DAMN, The Black Album, KOD, and hip hop artists have been outspoken about Black Lives Matter and racism.
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#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's really interesting, this thread is definitely telling me I am out of the loop anyway, as it seems that difference in understanding has even morphed over time. It doesn't surprise me at all though, there's still disputes about what "real" Bossa nova is to this day so that a genre as broad and eclectic as electronic music has a blurry cultural lexicon isn't all that shocking. I agree regarding EDM being a bit of…
I wouldn't say you're out of the loop. Generally speaking I think you're right in what you're saying (commercial vs. underground). Ultimately it's just a label that people can apply to certain things to lump stuff into a category for them to conceptualise what "thing in category" is. In the UK (at least in my experience), we had an existing label to call this "thing". Then Skrillex, Steve Aoki etc happened and everyo…
I believe Aphex Twin's label Rephlex called it braindance originally. I've always liked their description: "braindance is the genre that encompasses the best elements of all genres, e.g traditional, classical, electronic music, popular, modern, industrial, ambient, hip hop, electro, house, techno, breakbeat, hardcore, ragga, garage, drum and bass, etc."