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Re: Kaspersky believes it found new CIA malware

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Post by willcipriano »

dataflow wrote: post #105
willcipriano wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, I dont focus on them because I don't believe that Mossad or MI5 are the reason why my country has been at war my entire adult life, but I have witnessed the NSA and CIA justify those wars-that-arent-really-wars time and time again. How much blood was spilled over the 'yellow cake' line alone? Remember when they lost that ten thousand page report on torture right before it was to be delivered? Or the time they d…

I'm actually curious precisely what CIA justification you're referring to. What I'm aware of are [1] and [2]. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/03/22/iraq-war-... [2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/2003/11/28/m...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger_uranium_forgeries

Folks inside the CIA knew that the yellow cake uranium was a lie and at best, did not make any of this knowledge public as the justification for war was coming together. That silence resulted in the loss of at least one hundred and fifty thousand human beings needlessly and a war that has lasted decades.

Re: Kaspersky believes it found new CIA malware

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Post by andy_ppp »

ectopod wrote: post #60
andy_ppp wrote: post #49

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Humans have the option of trying to be ethical as well and a lot of people would question if the CIA always behaves ethically.

Surely no-one believes the CIA always behaves ethically. Especially after the post-9/11 kidnap, torture and murder rampage. Perhaps you meant a lot of people question if the CIA ever behaves ethically.

I’m sure the people that work there think they are a thin line against the harm others would like to do to America. “The ends justify the means”.

Re: Kaspersky believes it found new CIA malware

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Post by boomboomsubban »

genmud wrote: post #102
yeah666 wrote: post #34

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Aside: therecord.media is CIA propaganda. https://gcn.com/articles/2010/07/29/inqtel-google-fund-web-a...

Recorded Future = CIA? Solely based on them taking money from IQT? IQT funds a ton of different companies, it doesn't make them fronts for the CIA. Cloudera, FireEye and a ton of others have taken money from IQT, it doesn't make them propaganda.

>Cloudera, FireEye and a ton of others have taken money from IQT, it doesn't make them propaganda.

Though I won't say for sure that Recorded Future is CIA propaganda, there are obvious reasons why the CIA would fund a software development or computer security company besides propaganda. For what other reason would they fund a media company?

Re: Kaspersky believes it found new CIA malware

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Post by [deleted] »

willcipriano wrote: post #111
dataflow wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm actually curious precisely what CIA justification you're referring to. What I'm aware of are [1] and [2]. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/03/22/iraq-war-... [2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/2003/11/28/m...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger_uranium_forgeries Folks inside the CIA knew that the yellow cake uranium was a lie and at best, did not make any of this knowledge public as the justification for war was coming together. That silence resulted in the loss of at least one hundred and fifty thousand human beings needlessly and a war that has lasted decades.

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Re: Kaspersky believes it found new CIA malware

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Post by willcipriano »

lostlogin wrote: post #110
willcipriano wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, I dont focus on them because I don't believe that Mossad or MI5 are the reason why my country has been at war my entire adult life, but I have witnessed the NSA and CIA justify those wars-that-arent-really-wars time and time again. How much blood was spilled over the 'yellow cake' line alone? Remember when they lost that ten thousand page report on torture right before it was to be delivered? Or the time they d…

> my country has been at war my entire adult life The US has been at war for most it’s existence. Someone made a search tool to see how many years the US had been at war for, and then ran it on Wikipedia. Interestingly, France performed worse (assuming one doesn’t like war), though being involved in things like ‘The 100 years war’ skews things a little. https://freakonometrics.hypotheses.org/50473

I probably wouldn't be complaining if I was born in the 1930's, WW1 and 2 were fairly well justified. However what are the current wars even still about? WMD? No, that was a fabrication. Bin Laden? He's long dead. Oil? With fracking, the US has the largest oil reserves on the planet. ISIS? Essentially gone, not much of a threat to US citizens in any case. There was no reason for these wars, there is certainly no reason to let them continue.

Re: Kaspersky believes it found new CIA malware

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

wait_a_minute wrote: post #54
mc32 wrote: post #4

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I recall how when we had North Korean hacking activities and official attributions people would say, but how do we know it was them and how do we know the government isn’t making things up? But when someone accuses the US we never add any salt. Not that I don’t think it’s false, it’s just that the lack of consistent skepticism is interesting.

Because the entire goal is to promote skepticism about the USA while remaining as mum as possible on Russia and China. In the case of Russia, it’s not a secret that they try to disrupt and divide the states via internal conflicts so they can take over if we decline because of it. Here is just one example: https://www.wsj.com/articles/russian-backed-facebook-account... We also know that hundreds of thousands of foreig…

Eh, we are at a apoint where every self respecting political party has thousands of fake twitter accounts.

Re: Kaspersky believes it found new CIA malware

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Post by himinlomax »

scoofy wrote: post #62
willcipriano wrote: post #24

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If I had to wager I'd always bet on the CIA lying, I don't see how anyone could come to another conclusion given their history.

>If I had to wager I'd always bet on national security agency of any powerful country lying, I don't see how anyone could come to another conclusion given their history. Let's not pretend the FSB and MSS don't also lie constantly. That you're more familiar with the CIA lying is a testament to the free press of the US, not the other way around. The point of the previous post is that it could easily be another security…

> Let's not pretend the FSB and MSS don't also lie constantly

How do you go from reading "the CIA is lying" to "the FSB is telling the truth"? Do you understand the difference between those statements? Reminds me of a stand up bit, "are you a Jew or an antisemite?"

Re: Kaspersky believes it found new CIA malware

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Post by dataflow »

willcipriano wrote: post #111
dataflow wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm actually curious precisely what CIA justification you're referring to. What I'm aware of are [1] and [2]. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/03/22/iraq-war-... [2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/2003/11/28/m...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger_uranium_forgeries Folks inside the CIA knew that the yellow cake uranium was a lie and at best, did not make any of this knowledge public as the justification for war was coming together. That silence resulted in the loss of at least one hundred and fifty thousand human beings needlessly and a war that has lasted decades.

Huh, you went from

> I have witnessed the CIA justify those wars

to

> the CIA knew that the yellow cake uranium was a lie and at best, did not make any of this knowledge public

?

Isn't that a bit of a... large jump?

Also, do/should intelligence agencies generally come out and make public announcements of intelligence at all? I mean, maybe you can argue they should do that (for the public good), but unless they already do this in similar situations (or are normally instructed to), to show they actually acted in bad faith is going to need a lot more than arguing they didn't explicitly go out of their way to do so.

Btw, here's what I'm reading they apparently reported: https://fas.org/irp/cia/product/iraq-wmd.html

> Moderate Confidence: Iraq does not yet have a nuclear weapon or sufficient material to make one but is likely to have a weapon by 2007 to 2009. (See INR alternative view, page 84).

> We cannot confirm whether Iraq succeeded in acquiring uranium ore and/or yellowcake from these sources. [...] Intelligence information on whether nuclear-related phosphate mining and/or processing has been reestablished is inconclusive, however.

(To be clear: none of this is to suggest I'm a fan of the entities involved...)

Re: Kaspersky believes it found new CIA malware

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Post by hulitu »

HDMI_Cable wrote: post #93
scoofy wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>If I had to wager I'd always bet on national security agency of any powerful country lying, I don't see how anyone could come to another conclusion given their history. Let's not pretend the FSB and MSS don't also lie constantly. That you're more familiar with the CIA lying is a testament to the free press of the US, not the other way around. The point of the previous post is that it could easily be another security…

Wouldn't the fact that we know more about the CIA mean that they lie less , since there are verifiable claims to the contrary if they do lie? Like for example how the CIA can't claim it didn't infect Iran with Stuxnet without someone calling BS.

No. They dont't lie less. They just try to canalyse the discussion to another subject. Just like ...
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