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Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

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Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

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I can't speak to Azure, but while AWS has a policy of never discontinuing services or features, even if they are replaced by something else, whereas GCP does discontinue entire services (although if it is generally available they have to give 12 months notice according to the terms of service).

I’m not familiar with any GCP service being discontinued. Do you have any examples?

It never reached general availability, but remote-build-execution was discontinued.

Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

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[DISCLAMER: I used to work at Google in general, but not at Google Cloud] I'm not sure whether this has been discussed here before, but I'd love to take this forum to share an angle from the tech side of things: IMO, Google is _cursed_ to keep deprecating its products and services. It's cursed by Google's famous choice of mono-repo tech stack. It makes all the sense and has all the benefits. But at a cost: we had to…

Why isn't the failing tests the problem of the person who changed that line?

What you describe is very strange.

If someone changes a shared module, and some tests fail in result, his changes simply should not be merged.

> you will get a ticket to understand what has changed, make changes and fire up every tests

Do you fire tests manually?

Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

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Tactically, what would this look like? Getting large numbers of AWS or Azure customers to move over? Companies have higher priorities than changing their cloud provider, they want to focus on growing their business.

Indeed - in fact Microsoft recently tried to buy Pinterest just to get a large company that they can move from AWS to Azure: > The deal, which would have been Microsoft’s largest acquisition to date, confirms that the tech giant is continuing to pursue an acquisition strategy aimed at amassing a portfolio of active online communities that could run on top of its Azure cloud computing platform. Pinterest - which boast…

Reminds me of the Hotmail fiasco.

Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

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I don't know why all the cloud companies make you jump through so many hoops to get more quota - but Google has consistently been the fastest for me. Fill out some random Google Docs form (why does it have to be so dodgy?), receive quota within 24 hours. Contrast: Microsoft - flat out refused me more quota despite spending 10k/mo with them. Required me to convert to invoice billing, and then wanted a bunch of proof o…

That's because Google's quota increases are binary: - either they're automatically approved because you fill in a form requesting more and it just becomes a PR for an engineer to approve, OR - it can't move because you've hit an internal service limit

Wait, really? Quota are recorded by code that must be changed by pull request, not an entry in a db? That sounds like an insane waste of engineer time.

Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

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To be honest, since I've heard literally all of these stories/anecdotes, and in some cases have been affected by them, and yet there is still nothing new in this article to rehash, it actually makes me feel good having gone with GCP. I certainly have felt what I thought were missteps by GCP in the past, but over the past couple years have been an extremely happy customer, and I still feel I've architected my applicat…

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Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

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Probably would have been better for the author to have taken the "don't sell out to a single cloud vendor API" angle. But I guess no clicky-baits for that approach. I've been screwed over by both AWS and Azure, and never by GCloud, but that doesn't mean I trust any of them.

The best (silliest) business model I've seen is the new thing of vendors promising to make you cross-cloud...via locking you into the platform offered by the vendor (which is usually entirely hosted on one specific cloud provider anyway). There's valid reasons to support multiple providers, but that is definitely not one of them.

Honestly, it's kind of brilliant. Convincing people that they need to pay you outrageous sums to not change the fact that they're locked-in at the same level is really clever.

Kinda scummy? Probably. But brilliant nonetheless.

Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

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GCP doesn't really support IPv6 at all. Sure you can terminate IPv6 on a load balancer and then proxy the connections over IPv4 back to your instances, but you can't get native IPv6 on an instance. It's that type of shortcoming that leads me to believe Google does not see a future in this product.

The network virtualization scheme and likely many other parts of the stack need to change in order to support v6. It's not that there aren't investments in this area, it's just a non-trivial effort. Source: Worked in GCP networking.

Were they surprised that IPv6 existed? It's not as though this is a new technology, or that the necessity hasn't been obvious since around the time Google was born.

Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

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Can HN please add a filter for these increasingly lame "Google cancels all the stuff" posts? Yes, Google has cancelled services, but they've all been free things that they had every right to decide would never increase revenue. Why should Google have to keep everything they ever built running for ever? If you pay for services from Google, then it's a completely different story. We've used Appengine for 12 years now,…

Just got kicked off of google music as a paying customer, so nope, got a shitty youtube music replacement. As a paying google fi customer got transferred to hangouts then that got canceled and I apparently need to change my phone number if I want to make an outgoing voip call again because ??? google.

> Just got kicked off of google music as a paying customer, so nope, got a shitty youtube music replacement.

YouTube Music isn't available in my area. Got kicked off Google Play Music with a "download your content, we're deleting it" and couldn't pay even if I wanted to.

Announced discontinuation in August, full deletion of my Music Library in February.

> On 24 February 2021, we will delete all of your Google Play Music data. This includes your music library, with any uploads, purchases and anything you've added from Google Play Music. After this date, there will be no way to recover it.

Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

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While I'm not arguing the general point of the article, I will counter point one thing.

> Will Google Cloud even exist a decade from now?

This seems wildly speculative, and the likelihood of GCP, or its core offerings, not existing any time so soon is next to zero. Google has to royally fuck up for this to be the case, but even if it ends up being case, there will be a string of lawsuits lined up that will likely cost the company more than keeping the product.

I've worked at billion dollar companies that aren't shy to drop a lawsuit who have gone all in on GCP, with contracts worth millions of dollar. To force such a company off their product seems reckless at best, malicious at worst. Such a big decision would drive Google into the ground, maybe not from the consumers, but certainly from the lawsuits that will inevitably ensue.

Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

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I'm shocked that any cloud provider lets you use prepaid cards... all of the major providers have problems with crypto mining and abuse, so it's crazy that AWS would allow prepaid cards that might be laundered, etc. And IMO, if you're a real customer, all the providers are fairly forgiving, provided you can get in touch with a real human who works there.

Google is infamous for making it impossible to reach a real human. Their DNA is all about automating all the things.

I hate google and would NEVER use GCP for anything remotely meaningful (I'd use Azure and even Oracle first). Nevertheless I had a domain issue (through google.Domain ) and I was pleasantly surprised by the customer support. Almost as good as AWs paid support.

Otoh I find AWS quite straightforward, but I've been using it for several years now. Their support is worth their weight in gold.

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