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The Endless Acid Banger: algorithmic self-composing acid techno music

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Re: The Endless Acid Banger: algorithmic self-composing acid techno music

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Post by bzzzt »

stinos wrote: post #96
sideshowb wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you had no music experience, snuck into a club, impersonated a DJ, and just pressed play on this, I think even without touching it, no one would notice anything's amiss. If you messed around with it occasionally, you'd probably get hired back Some sufficiently intoxicated people will dance to anything, though a good dj feels an obligation to make sure the thing being played is of good quality, regardless. As to…

Sufficiently intoxicated people will dance to anything I've heard this sentiment before and I always wonder whether it has been given enough thought or whether it's really true for you and the people you know. I mean, me and me friends have left more than one party because we'd rather stroll around the neighbourhood than endure the music the DJ was playing. Admittedly that happened more when not using drugs but it's…

> Sufficiently intoxicated people will dance to anything

There's an urban legend saying Richard D James (Aphex Twin) threw a microphone in a kitchen blender at a concert and people were dancing to that sound...

Re: The Endless Acid Banger: algorithmic self-composing acid techno music

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Post by tomcam »

simias wrote: post #110

I'm fascinated by the implication that in the not so far future we'll reach a point where we can teach a computer to generate arbitrary works of art endlessly. Want new episodes of Seinfeld? Just feed the existing episodes to an AI and ask it to make new ones. Beatles songs? Ditto. Spotify can look at your playlists and not only recommend tracks that you might like, but actually create some artificially. Post-cultura…

I'm endlessly fascinated how we on HN have the arrogance to assume we can do things like auto-generate Beatles songs or episodes of Seinfeld. Do you think comedy writers are sitting around the writing room saying "Man, in 5 years we'll be able to take over those nerd jobs, no problem."

To auto-generate Seinfeld or Beatles... you have to be able to create as well as Seinfeld or the Beatles. Try it sometime. When you make a billion dollars and change popular culture, answer this post and I'll eat crow.

Then you need to be able to do what no one else in history has been able to do, which is bottle that skill.

Dude, most of us can't even figure out what kind of nails we'd use to use for exterior siding on a chicken coop.

Re: The Endless Acid Banger: algorithmic self-composing acid techno music

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Post by vascocosta »

I'm a programmer. I also enjoy occasionally producing electronic music, usually within the trance genre. Nevertheless as a good programmer I'm lazy and that reflects in my music creation. I'm a minimalist, but minimalist trance doesn't sound so good in my opinion. Many layers are often needed, with complex melodies, if you want it to sound professional.

On the other hand, acid techno seems to be minimalist by design, I love it. If I can create it programmatically even better. Mixing automation with some human interaction seems to be the best of both worlds. I'm in love with this and feeling like creating my own acid techno production tool, with a mix of automation and interaction.

Re: The Endless Acid Banger: algorithmic self-composing acid techno music

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Post by sideshowb »

bzzzt wrote: post #111
stinos wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sufficiently intoxicated people will dance to anything I've heard this sentiment before and I always wonder whether it has been given enough thought or whether it's really true for you and the people you know. I mean, me and me friends have left more than one party because we'd rather stroll around the neighbourhood than endure the music the DJ was playing. Admittedly that happened more when not using drugs but it's…

> Sufficiently intoxicated people will dance to anything There's an urban legend saying Richard D James (Aphex Twin) threw a microphone in a kitchen blender at a concert and people were dancing to that sound...

I was once at a Plump DJs gig where the fire alarm went off and it took everyone a minute to realize it wasn't part of the tune.

I've also heard of people dancing to a generator when the hardtek stopped.

To be fair to the people concerned, both examples actually match the style of the music in question.

Re: The Endless Acid Banger: algorithmic self-composing acid techno music

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Post by Rochus »

jmfldn wrote: post #58

This is a great project, well done. Algorithmic music is fascinating to me, I feel like there's a lot of untapped potential in the concept particularly with more 'complex' genres where higher levels of composition and structural continuity are required. This tends to work much better with loop-based genres but I'd personally love to do a side project on something that could write melodies from some sort of generative…

> I feel like there's a lot of untapped potential in the concept particularly with more 'complex' genres

Well, you're in good company. This goes back for many decades. Here is a summary of many attempts during this time: https://www.amazon.com/Algorithmic-Composition-Paradigms-Aut.... Really convincing composition started to appear only recently using transformers, e.g. https://openai.com/blog/musenet/. The present solution is a rather primitive one in comparison.

Re: The Endless Acid Banger: algorithmic self-composing acid techno music

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Post by Mediterraneo10 »

bzzzt wrote: post #111
stinos wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sufficiently intoxicated people will dance to anything I've heard this sentiment before and I always wonder whether it has been given enough thought or whether it's really true for you and the people you know. I mean, me and me friends have left more than one party because we'd rather stroll around the neighbourhood than endure the music the DJ was playing. Admittedly that happened more when not using drugs but it's…

> Sufficiently intoxicated people will dance to anything There's an urban legend saying Richard D James (Aphex Twin) threw a microphone in a kitchen blender at a concert and people were dancing to that sound...

Those people need not even be intoxicated, because noise music is its own genre, and some of the people enjoying RDJ will probably be responsive to it; RDJ has had a few moments when he approached the Japanese scene. Indeed, when artists like Merzbow perform at festivals, it is clear that the noise stimulates some people's dance reflexes.

Re: The Endless Acid Banger: algorithmic self-composing acid techno music

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Post by TaupeRanger »

simias wrote: post #110

I'm fascinated by the implication that in the not so far future we'll reach a point where we can teach a computer to generate arbitrary works of art endlessly. Want new episodes of Seinfeld? Just feed the existing episodes to an AI and ask it to make new ones. Beatles songs? Ditto. Spotify can look at your playlists and not only recommend tracks that you might like, but actually create some artificially. Post-cultura…

That is not remotely implied by generating some algorithmic musical patterns. Good grief with the hyperbole.
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