That would be totally illegal in Germany, and most of the EU. Not only the employee tracking and forcing them to install anything on their private devices, but also the data collection and not disclosing what is collected, where, and how long, and not implementing an automatic deletion.
Here in the UK government introduced zero rights employment just few days ago and that would be totally legal here.
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Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
I linked to this website as I thought despite this "let's help corporations exploit workers" theme, the information it has is quite concise and true. You can also check this report http://www.loanchargeappg.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/H... This is not only affecting IT contractors but anyone can be hired with such contract.
> The articles refer to those workers as contractors and mainly focus on IT market, but these rules can be applied to any workers. But you say things like this from a reply above, and they simply do not apply to "any workers" (ie. employees) - only those that are specifically taken on as contractors. I'm not going to wake up tomorrow to find that it applies to me as I'm an employee, not a contractor. I know this is y…
It's legal. An example from today:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/apr/14/hundreds-br...
Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired
#113https://www.ladyada.net/make/wavebubble/ >> This website details the design and construction Wave Bubble: a self-tuning, wide-bandwidth portable RF jammer. The device is lightweight and small for easy camouflaging: it is the size of a pack of cigarettes. >> An internal lithium-ion battery provides up to 2 hours of jamming (two bands, such as cell) or 4 hours (single band, such as cordless phone, GPS , WiFi, bluetooth…
Operating radio jammers is likely to get you a $20,000 fine the first time they catch you, and if they get a hint of your activity, the FCC will absolutely start hunting for you.
Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired
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This is where Android massively outclasses iOS: it separates all company data in an isolated profile, has a separate location switch for work apps, has a separate notification switch for work apps and doesn't allow access to your private data. You can easily disable the whole setup yourself (and company doesn't control it) which easily makes notifications go away whenever.
Does that work with the ‘remote locking/erase’ requirement OP stated?
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#115Is there any scientific evidence that this kind of excessive cleaning had any impact on COVID? What was the cost-benefit-analysis, how many years of life were saved per $, and how does that compare to other health interventions? If we just banned junk food at these schools, but let COVID run rampant (the number of children and teenagers dead from COVID is essentially statistical noise), would we have improved health…
So your reaction to this article is to assume that she was actually guilty of slacking off, and that was the reason for her not installing the application. All that because she had a "bullshit" job with poor cost-benefit. This is surreal. We should all be concerned, as employees and as citizens, of companies asking their staff to install monitoring applications (especially on their personal devices). These applicatio…
Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired
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It wasn't necessary as of some months ago. I don't have a smart phone and at first they would send a SMS with TAN, but now they switched to sending an email with the TAN.
There may be some grandfathering of old accounts: accounts that have email notification enabled, can still access the Packstation using mTAN transmitted by email. However, once the email notification is disabled, there seems to be no way to re-enable it (and maybe it is disabled per default for new accounts) [1] [1] https://www.giga.de/tipp/dhl-mtan-anfordern-ohne-handy-das-s...
Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired
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It's not a special employment status. As a contractor in the UK you have fewer rights (pensions, notice periods, unfair dismissal, etc.) than an employee, but used to have not-inconsiderable tax benefits to trade off against this. Thanks to HMRC reforms known as IR35, a lot of contractors are now considered akin to "disguised employees" and taxed as such - thus being taxed like an employee without the requisite legal…
There is a subtle change however that makes huge difference. Companies now can make anyone a contractor (deemed employee) as now the company decides about status and essentially create a workforce without any worker's rights. The "not-inconsiderable" tax benefits ended around 2017.
I don't think that's true. If you are enrolled on PAYE they can't just change you to a contractor.
Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired
#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is a subtle change however that makes huge difference. Companies now can make anyone a contractor (deemed employee) as now the company decides about status and essentially create a workforce without any worker's rights. The "not-inconsiderable" tax benefits ended around 2017.
> Companies now can make anyone a contractor I don't think that's true. If you are enrolled on PAYE they can't just change you to a contractor.
Example: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/mar/28/a-kick-in-t...
Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired
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One of the most important philosophers of enlightenment/industrial era was Jeremy Bentham... of utilitarian fame. He designed a building called a Panopticon, a design for a factory that allows many workers to be monitored closely by managers. He also thought it would make a good design for prisons, another interest areas. A lot of modern prisons resemble/derive from the Panopticon. We need to remember that not everyt…
The core difference that makes this new problem more worrying is, Panopticon only created a perception of being constantly watched. The managers/guards could see into every cell, but not all of them at the same time - but the workers/prisoners couldn't know if they're being watched at any given moment, so they had to assume they were. As bad as it is, it's still better than actually being constantly watched .
There is somewhat of a distinction between spying to sell you papmers and spying to maintain political power/stability. The latter can get bad fast. Ad businesses can be creepy, but their motivation is mostly just to sell you stuff. In both cases, it doesn't feel great at first... but you do get used to it.
Spying to make you sell pampers... that can go either way. Whatever lock-in powers Apple or FB wield... bosses have more power over employees than retailers over consumers. Add privacy belligerence to labour relations... third party ecosystems.
don't panic.
Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired
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Operating radio jammers is likely to get you a $20,000 fine the first time they catch you, and if they get a hint of your activity, the FCC will absolutely start hunting for you.
In what maner are they "hunting" some person who is use only on ocasion in locations not fixed? I think these rule are wrong. Some person who is putting up jammer with a range extent only for his propertey should not be in criming.
You’re not allowed to interfere with radio resources which the public owns, even for someone else on your property. Some hotels have gotten fined for interfering with wifi hotspots for example.
You’ll be hard pressed to build a jammer which is loud enough to interfere with signals just on your property and not interfere outside or be detectable. You also don’t own the sky above your land and can’t take away radio spectrum from aircraft, etc.