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Windows 10 taskbar is now pushing Microsoft Edge web apps

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Re: Windows 10 taskbar is now pushing Microsoft Edge web apps

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Post by immigrantsheep »

armoredkitten wrote: post #66
nightski wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use it every day and tbh I haven't had to touch the settings in years. I never encounter this stuff. And reading the article it explicitly says they will only show users this feature if edge is their default browser.

No, it says "the pop-up will appear even when Microsoft Edge is the default browser... The company is not targeting people who use Google Chrome and Firefox as default browsers." I.e., it shows up for everyone, not just people who aren't using Edge already. They aren't specifically targeting Chrome and Firefox users; they are just also included in the group.

Can confirm that I never encountered this behavior and I have Edge (although Canary) as my default browser at the moment.

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Post by nguyenkien »

anonymousiam wrote: post #23
agloeregrets wrote: post #6

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I would argue that macOS does have some advertisements , mostly for Apple services, they just tend to be cleaner and better integrated. (Also the free bit is a little fuzzy as the costs are baked into the hardware.) Microsoft is far more guilty however. Imagine how nice Windows 10 would be if Microsoft didn't own Bing, Xbox, and Office.

Given how much Microsoft has monetized Windows these days, they could probably give it away free and still make money.

My laptop come with Windows 7. I never pay for Windows 10. And I still get free update in last 5 years.

Re: Windows 10 taskbar is now pushing Microsoft Edge web apps

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Post by neogodless »

scaladev wrote: post #41
ChrisSD wrote: post #16

The are a number of Windows settings for turning off what it calls "suggestions". Do a search in the Settings app for "suggest", click "Show all results" and see what comes up. Amongst them are: * Show suggestions occasionally in Start * Show suggestions in your timeline * Suggest ways I can finish setting up my device to get the most out of Windows * Get tips, tricks and suggestions as you use Windows * Turn off sug…

Remember, you're paying money for this treatment. Reminds me of cable TV, honestly.

It's interesting. Lots of people pay and put up with ads for the convenience of cable TV. But I'll happily pay and memorize where my shows are to enjoy Netflix, Hulu and one or two other streaming apps so I can avoid ads but still enjoy my shows (though for network shows, there's often a waiting period before I get to watch them). There, the price difference per month was one of the driving factors.

With my PC, I could dual boot, as it's just reassuring that I can fire up my favorite games and they "just work" on whatever the latest Windows OS is I'm running, and the convenience factor is so much higher now that I'm running WSL2 and can do various Linux things, too. But cost-wise, well I've only ever paid for Windows when buying a pre-made system. When building, I've gotten various free versions of Windows over the years, like when I did a "Windows party" for the launch of 7, and they sent me a free copy of Ultimate (which was free to upgrade to 8->8.1->10. But obviously not available in general if you want a Windows license.)

And the cost of time... to fiddle with Linux and try to get all my Blizzard games working, maybe it's not as bad as it is in my head, but it seems like a hassle, and quite often, my spouse and my family members and my friends and I spontaneously want to jump into a game of StarCraft 2 or Valheim or Diablo 3, and I don't want anything causing me to stop what I'm doing and try to troubleshoot it for 2 hours while everyone else plays.

So, I run only Windows, and I put up with the once or twice a year that a new update comes out and potentially introduces some kind of notification or extra Start Menu tile, and I turn that thing off, and then I go on with my life without it. If I could have Linux with a "Windows gaming" channel like Netflix that always just worked for every game I play or will play in the future, I think I'd certainly consider switching to that. But for now, I'm not confident enough that everything I use my PC for would "just work" if I switched, with the same performance and lack of troubleshooting, so I do not do so.

Re: Windows 10 taskbar is now pushing Microsoft Edge web apps

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Post by weird-eye-issue »

i_have_an_idea wrote: post #13
weird-eye-issue wrote: post #9

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For free... Only after you buy their (overpriced) proprietary hardware. Where could I download a copy of their OS, for free, to install on my non-Apple desktop? Okay now do you see why that isn't a fair comparison?

It's pretty fair. You pay money - you get a product. In Windows, you pay money - you get ads and tracking. edit: To make it clear to people not reading the comment carefully, I'm not saying MacOS is "free". I'm merely saying that once you pay for the computer, the OS is included in the price. And there is no additional monetization under the form of ads or tracking. Unlike in the Windows world, where you pay for the…

That's not what I was replying to at all. He said it was "free". That's a lot different from "you pay money".

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Post by zdragnar »

supercanuck wrote: post #45
zdragnar wrote: post #15

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Apple's EULA prohibits you from installing their OS on anything but their own hardware- so they make their money there. Microsoft trying that would absolutely kill the company- either by lawsuit or people getting up in arms over anti-competitive behavior. They make a small amount every few years when you buy a new computer, and hope you'll also pay for their other software (or give them data, which is tantamount to t…

> ... so they make their money there. Microsoft, literally, sells Windows 10... for money.

Given the upgrade cycle for computers, they are making substantially less (and OEM gets a massive discount over the store shelf price of windows).

Since they arent getting a massive markup on very well integrated, mediocre hardware, they need to sell more than just Windows. Office, SharePoint, etc are where the real money is at for them.

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Post by minikites »

notRobot wrote: post #43
Justsignedup wrote: post #37

Here's whats so odd here: - google can push chrome on people in their search results. and google pushed HARD. So hard they dominate the browser market and chrome is unfortunately not known for privacy. - google pretty much makes it impossible to get away from chrome entirely in android. Example being that you MUST use chrome webview when using the google search app. Even though everything else uses firefox for me. -…

"Google does this wrong thing so MS should be able to too!" No, that's not how this works. If it's wrong, stop Google from doing it, instead of letting others do it too.

The difference is that people are stuck thinking it's still 1997 and that when Google does it, it must be good, because Google is an upstart and on our side. When Microsoft does it, it must be evil, because they're big and evil Microsoft and not on our side.

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Post by CivBase »

oehpr wrote: post #104
CivBase wrote: post #71

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> It’s worth noting that the pop-up will appear even when Microsoft Edge is the default browser and you’ve already pinned sites to the taskbar. The company is not targeting people who use Google Chrome and Firefox as default browsers. That statement implies to me that they are also advertising to people who aren't using Edge.

Can you walk me through how you're reading that? I don't understand how you have reached that conclusion.

Sure. I think the key to my interpretation is "even when".

> the pop-up will appear *even when* Microsoft Edge is the default browser

"Even when" says to me that this scenario is in addition to some other scenario, which must inevitably be when Edge isn't the default browser.

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