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The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

#111
I enjoy the idea that a translater decided to include the dutch word hashcheckserver instead of looking for a similar english word.

> Grapperhaus instituted a number of measures. A technical system for detecting child pornography – a hashcheckserver – would be set up that hosting companies could join.

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

#112

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So a bookstore is just selling colored pieces of paper, even if those pieces of paper are images of child abuse? Seriously what is wrong with you? I get that cryto-anarchist are hip and think they're so cool, but there is a real human cost here. Are you OK with that?

Images of child abuse are not child abuse. Instead of wasting energy on fighting with windmills and numbers, it would be better to concentrate efforts on catching child abusers, and keeping an eye on people who buy such books, to prevent crimes. The argument is exactly the same as the argument for not banning alcohol, decriminalizing drugs etc. Fight against actual crime instead of wasting resources on ineffective me…

"images of child abuse are not child abuse".

Right. Because those images were just created magically? Someone took them. And there's a market for them.

If there's no market for such pictures, likely less children will suffer the consequences.

Fighting the crime directly is important, but so is doing it indirectly.

Read about the suicide rates in the UK by women before and after the country changed the type of gas stoves. Indirect effects can be very strong.

Reconsider your morals and logic.

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

#113

Somehow, when the following two sentences are put together I lose all hope in the world's incentive structure: "Grapperhaus instituted a number of measures. [...] Companies would have to respond to a notification from the child pornography hotline without discussion within 24 hours" "In 2015, Ecatel became embroiled in a lengthy conflict with the Premier League in the UK over claims of illegal streaming of football m…

How fast does the ban hammer need to be to restore your hope? You know that "porn filtration", regularly used to justify state censorship, always ends up filtering speech that the state just doesn't want heard? I forget from where the latest porn blacklist leaked, either NZ or AU, but it was full of sites the likes of WikiLeaks.

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

#114

I enjoy the idea that a translater decided to include the dutch word hashcheckserver instead of looking for a similar english word. > Grapperhaus instituted a number of measures. A technical system for detecting child pornography – a hashcheckserver – would be set up that hosting companies could join.

The similar English word would surely be hash check server?

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

#115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So a bookstore is just selling colored pieces of paper, even if those pieces of paper are images of child abuse? Seriously what is wrong with you? I get that cryto-anarchist are hip and think they're so cool, but there is a real human cost here. Are you OK with that?

Images of child abuse are not child abuse. Instead of wasting energy on fighting with windmills and numbers, it would be better to concentrate efforts on catching child abusers, and keeping an eye on people who buy such books, to prevent crimes. The argument is exactly the same as the argument for not banning alcohol, decriminalizing drugs etc. Fight against actual crime instead of wasting resources on ineffective me…

> Images of child abuse are not child abuse

have you talked to those children and asked whether or not they think publically displaying and selling images of their abuse is abuse?

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

#116

I enjoy the idea that a translater decided to include the dutch word hashcheckserver instead of looking for a similar english word. > Grapperhaus instituted a number of measures. A technical system for detecting child pornography – a hashcheckserver – would be set up that hosting companies could join.

The similar English word would surely be hash check server?

Yep, and I learn again to never assume a joke will work over the internet.

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Has that ever been enforced, in any shape or form?

You have to counterfile, but there's a poison pill in the regulation that by doing so you agree U.S. courts have jurisdiction, thereby nullifying any protections you have from being in another countries juridiction. I mean, there is no getting around it if you want the countersuit to work and reflect poorly on the claimant, but you are agreeing to letting the U.S. have extra-territorial jurisdiction.

If you're in the US then you're already under jurisdiction, right? Why wouldn't someone who is already under us jurisdiction try it?

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

#118
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50% of known CP is hosted in Netherlands. A country smaller than New York state.

Also a hotspot for drugs trafficking, yet with a pristine official record of corruption, ranking as one of the ten least corrupt countries in the world. These seem incongruous, somehow.

Not incongruous, I think. By basically legalising drugs, prostitution, and similar victimless peccadillos (and focusing on treatment and support instead), you destroy the mob's business model, reduce opportunity for corruption, and allow cops to concentrate on real crime.

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

#119
post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Images of child abuse are not child abuse. Instead of wasting energy on fighting with windmills and numbers, it would be better to concentrate efforts on catching child abusers, and keeping an eye on people who buy such books, to prevent crimes. The argument is exactly the same as the argument for not banning alcohol, decriminalizing drugs etc. Fight against actual crime instead of wasting resources on ineffective me…

"images of child abuse are not child abuse". Right. Because those images were just created magically? Someone took them. And there's a market for them. If there's no market for such pictures, likely less children will suffer the consequences. Fighting the crime directly is important, but so is doing it indirectly. Read about the suicide rates in the UK by women before and after the country changed the type of gas sto…

> If there's no market for such pictures, likely less children will suffer the consequences.

The market will always exist: pedophiles. They have been and will be among us until the end of times.

> Fighting the crime directly is important, but so is doing it indirectly.

Yes, but the difference is so abysmal that you know where is more important to put the effort. Stopping even 1 child of being abused is better than stopping the sharing of 1 million child porn pics.

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

#120

I would agree if the questions was about helping to catch someone who had made these videos. But hosting isn't a morality question, they are just storing a number, and hosting company should not have to care what interpretations of a number can exist.

Okay, what’s your social security number, legal name, and date of birth? It’s just a number, you shouldn’t have any problem sharing all of those.
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