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Re: Documents show Amazon is aware drivers pee in bottles and even defecate enroute

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Post by paulryanrogers » Sun, Mar 28, 2021, 6:05 PM UTC

whoknew1122 wrote: post #110

paulryanrogers wrote: post #104

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> Can Amazon do more? Yes. Should Amazon be a corporate leader? Yes. But this a larger problem than Amazon. This happens across industries with line workers and last mile delivery jobs. Amazon is becoming one of the only employers for less skilled workers ... because of Amazon's ruthless pricing, co-mingling, white-labeling, outsourced externalities, and other strategies. This is why we have anti-trust. Whether other…

> "Whether others are also abusive or incentivize dehumanizing behavior is irrelevant." Only irrelevant if you want to fix symptoms, not causes. If you demonize a specific company, you might change a company's practices. This is good for the workers at that company who are treated inhumanely. But know that by focusing on the behavior of a specific company rather than economic system that incentivizes companies to tre…

> By focusing on the behavior of a company rather than dearth of meaningful regulation to protect workers, you're enabling the exploitation of workers across a swath of industries.

Pointing out an individual's wrongs doesn't mean I cannot also advocate better regulation for all. Let this instance be another push toward that end. Apathy and "everyone's doing it" cop outs are just as damaging as calling the problem solved after a single corrective action.

Re: Documents show Amazon is aware drivers pee in bottles and even defecate enroute

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Post by wutbrodo » Mon, Mar 29, 2021, 12:08 AM UTC

GekkePrutser wrote: post #102

wutbrodo wrote: post #91

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I wonder why this is so downvoted? If you think peeing in a bottle is degrading, it doesn't seem that using a product like this would be any more degrading than the male method. I have women friends who use devices like these when we hike and there's nothing weird or embarrassing about it for any of us. Though it's important to note that women's bathroom needs are different from men in more ways than just the mechani…

When you hike? I'd have thought doing it in nature would be fine (considering all the animals doing the same). I always do so when I hike anyway (just making sure there's nobody around :P ). My female friends also do so. Not sure exactly how as I am polite enough to turn around O:-) Indeed menstruation is a different issue altogether.

> When you hike? I'd have thought doing it in nature would be fine (considering all the animals doing the same)

I assume it's because sometimes there's enough brush that you don't want to squat more than you have to, exposing your privates to plants, insects, etc. On top of that, you need a lot less privacy to stand-and-pee than you do to squat: if someone comes across you squatting on a trail without much cover, you probably wouldn't want them catching a view of either side of you.

Perhaps it's just not-totally-rational squeamishness, but that's my understanding of the thinking behind it.

Re: Documents show Amazon is aware drivers pee in bottles and even defecate enroute

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Post by wutbrodo » Mon, Mar 29, 2021, 12:12 AM UTC

optimiz3 wrote: post #99

wutbrodo wrote: post #89

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It's regularly commented-on that the reason we don't have widespread public bathrooms like many other developed and Middle-income countries is due to insane laws prohibiting against pay toilets, on the grounds that. Turns out when you don't allow pay toilets, you end up with no public toilets at all, even in places like San Francisco where the government attempts to pour money into providing them. It's a very "Americ…

The problem with public toilets is they become massive hazards if you can't police them. Things like prostitution, drug use, homelessness, and crime all become concerns. Neither the Left nor Right have root cause credible solutions for this.

The credible solution already existed, before we prohibited private entities from providing restrooms. Banning pay toilets effectively meant banning public toilets, since municipalities self-evidently don't have the will or competence to maintain them. This is one of those big problems that isn't actually that hard.

Re: Documents show Amazon is aware drivers pee in bottles and even defecate enroute

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Post by LorenPechtel » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 6:45 PM UTC

GekkePrutser wrote: post #109

LorenPechtel wrote: post #107

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Peeing in nature is fine. The reason for things like this for a woman to pee normally means exposing a lot more skin to eyes and the weather. Also, the usual scenario for being seen is someone not of your group coming up behind you--and with a pee funnel your bum isn't exposed at all. (Poo is another matter--you're expected to bury it 6-8" down, at least 200' from the trail, at least 200' from water. If you can't mee…

Ah that makes sense. Where I hike in northern Spain there is a lot of foliage cover so this wouldn't be as much of an issue.

I live in a pretty dry area. I can think of only one area with pretty dense foliage within a couple hours of home and that's in a seasonal stream.

In the winter I've often been in areas with half a mile line of sight to any place you could actually get to and plenty of canyons where anyone coming around the bend is going to see you, period.

Summer provides a bit more cover at lower elevations, but as you go higher there are trees but you can see under them and in many cases getting off the trail is difficult.

If you hike long enough trails to need to relieve yourself you know there's a small chance you'll be seen, and likewise, you know there's a small chance you'll run into someone relieving themselves--if you can't stand either scenario, don't go.