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An open letter in support of RMS being reinstated by the FSF

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Re: An open letter in support of RMS being reinstated by the FSF

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

angry_octet wrote: post #108
Corazoor wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This might be an unpopular opionion, but anyone who feels that Stallmans antics make him unfit for leading the FSF is also not someone I want have any say in that organizsation. It shows a lack of ability to discern between message and messanger, as well as private and professional opinion. He is the single most consistent arbiter of open source, clinging to views we all here admire; With such a dedication that it is…

Opinions like your are what has kept FSF stuck in 1990s obscurity. Enjoy alienating people and remaining irrelevant while everyone else moves on.

Obscurity???!

FSF is a _fenomenally_ successful organisation in achieving their mission. Free Software is everywhere, it has spawned endless businessess and has completely changed the way people create software.

Re: An open letter in support of RMS being reinstated by the FSF

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Post by angry_octet »

smsm42 wrote: post #110
angry_octet wrote: post #109

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"When people tell you who they are, listen." We choose to disassociate open source from anything to do with RMS and FSF.

Well, you told who you are, then. Virtue signalling is more important to you than the work done by the open source community and the FSF, and you'd gladly destroy the latter for a chance of the former. OK, listened.

Do you realise that every time you use terms like "woke" and "virtue signalling" you are, in fact, virtue signalling?

If open source could only be done by sexual abusers and misogynists it would indeed be sad.

Re: An open letter in support of RMS being reinstated by the FSF

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Post by angry_octet »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #111
angry_octet wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Opinions like your are what has kept FSF stuck in 1990s obscurity. Enjoy alienating people and remaining irrelevant while everyone else moves on.

Obscurity???! FSF is a _fenomenally_ successful organisation in achieving their mission. Free Software is everywhere, it has spawned endless businessess and has completely changed the way people create software.

No thanks to the FSF or GNU. Then phenomenal success has been in spite of, not because of, the last 20 years of FSF (RMS) pedantry.

Re: An open letter in support of RMS being reinstated by the FSF

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Post by DreamScatter »

ad404b8a372f2b9 wrote: post #105
enriquto wrote: post #74

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This will not last! The day of the judgement, those of us who voted for your comment will be disclosed, and we will be duly punished for our wrongthink.

That's already the case on reddit to some extent, you can be banned for upvoting content. From their announcement on the subject: """ Today, we’re making an update to address this gap: Users who consistently upvote policy-breaking content within quarantined communities will receive automated warnings, followed by further consequences like a temporary or permanent suspension. We hope this will encourage healthier beha…

Funny how they call their toxic manipulative behavior as healthy. Such nonsense.

Re: An open letter in support of RMS being reinstated by the FSF

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Post by smsm42 »

angry_octet wrote: post #112
smsm42 wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, you told who you are, then. Virtue signalling is more important to you than the work done by the open source community and the FSF, and you'd gladly destroy the latter for a chance of the former. OK, listened.

Do you realise that every time you use terms like "woke" and "virtue signalling" you are, in fact, virtue signalling? If open source could only be done by sexual abusers and misogynists it would indeed be sad.

No, I do not realize that because it is not true. I am expressing my opinion, not trying to fit within some cultural mold that requires of me performative actions where the only purpose is to demonstrate my allegiance to "right" people and my non-association with "this kind of people". When I use the term "woke", I mean people who call themselves this term, or are functionally and ideologically equivalent to those people. I didn't invent this term, I don't like it particularly, but it came to identify a specific group of people with specific views and action patterns, so I use it. And I am completely sure when I use it, you know who and what I mean. So using it is an efficient communication practice.

> If open source could only be done by sexual abusers

This is an extremely wrong "if" which nobody actually claimed before you. By implying that your opponents said something like that, you are lying. Do not do that.

> it would indeed be sad.

It would be, but it's not because your initial assumption is false. What is currently sad instead is that you have to resort to falsities to advance your point. Or maybe not - maybe it's just a sign you have nothing better in your quiver.

Re: An open letter in support of RMS being reinstated by the FSF

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

angry_octet wrote: post #113
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obscurity???! FSF is a _fenomenally_ successful organisation in achieving their mission. Free Software is everywhere, it has spawned endless businessess and has completely changed the way people create software.

No thanks to the FSF or GNU. Then phenomenal success has been in spite of, not because of, the last 20 years of FSF (RMS) pedantry.

Absolutely thanks to FSF and GNU, who started this all. And their pedantry is the gold standard people should strive for. Not everyone can achieve such software purity, but everyone should know that it is the right thing.

Re: An open letter in support of RMS being reinstated by the FSF

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Post by Corazoor »

angry_octet wrote: post #108
Corazoor wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This might be an unpopular opionion, but anyone who feels that Stallmans antics make him unfit for leading the FSF is also not someone I want have any say in that organizsation. It shows a lack of ability to discern between message and messanger, as well as private and professional opinion. He is the single most consistent arbiter of open source, clinging to views we all here admire; With such a dedication that it is…

Opinions like your are what has kept FSF stuck in 1990s obscurity. Enjoy alienating people and remaining irrelevant while everyone else moves on.

Just because you say so does not make it so. You provide no argument, only assertions.

Re: An open letter in support of RMS being reinstated by the FSF

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Post by DreamScatter »

danans wrote: post #44
smoldesu wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really. It's the Free Software Foundation, not the Free People Foundation. Stallman's only goal has been to develop an ecosystem of free and open software, and his political and personal opinions have never stood in the way of that. His belief that everyone should have access to quality, open software supersedes whatever personal agenda people perceive to be true.

> Stallman's only goal has been to develop an ecosystem of free and open software Why is his goal the only one that matters? Is he a prophet, or is he just a guy who created a compelling idea? Should the movement continue to be centered on him as a personality? The FSF movement is by definition far bigger than him, and it can reasonably contain other related goals. Perhaps those with other goals can make peace with k…

It's his foundation, and you are welcome to start your own foundation promoting your own ideals for software.

Re: An open letter in support of RMS being reinstated by the FSF

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Post by DreamScatter »

marcodiego wrote: post #23

RMS failed in his way to communicate with people, he hurt people and there are reports of scared away women. The community failed by not calling him on his mistakes, by not making these publicly clear as early as possible disregarding that he is stubborn but changes his mind when bad stances are explained clearly. His victims should not be blamed, but people around him have to admit there are reasons he is compared t…

Hah, these kind of people are hilarious, as if Richard Stallmann has "victims"... he is not a criminal.

Re: An open letter in support of RMS being reinstated by the FSF

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Post by DreamScatter »

Thiez wrote: post #102
icha wrote: post #90

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That's it? Bad hygiene and awkward attempts at romancing women? Truly, a devil incarnate.

You don't need to be literally Satan to be a less than ideal for certain positions, especially when they involve represeting a movement or organisation.

You should go ahead and start your own movement then, be a leader instead of an asshole who tears other people down.
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