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Were the (VC) based in HK? Just wondering.
'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]
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#112I've been on a bit of an youtube archiving kick lately. Does anyone know of a good list of youtube videos that were uploaded during the protests (e.g. documenting the protest, police brutality, etc)? I'm probably too late to the party though, since I understand a lot of protesters took down their social media uploads in support of the protests after the national security law was enacted.
Here’s a good place to start:
Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]
#113I'll try to strictly source my remarks and refrain from commenting on the political content of the HK demonstrations to keep this purely factual, as I think this could be a rather controversial thread; however, it's interesting how different the reception to these demonstrations is to the reception to the US Capitol riots and the BLM demonstrations of last year. Hong Kong demonstrators have stormed government buildin…
Equating the two is ridiculous. The Capitol Riots were an attempt to overturn a free and fair democratic election in favor of the rioters preferred candidate. The HK protests are in relation to freedom from the Chinese Government's dictatorial rule. Democracy is what is most important in both of these situations. The Capitol Riots were anti democracy. The HK protests are pro democracy.
> Equating the two is ridiculous.
When someone wants to defend the indefensible, false equivalency seems like the go-to tactic nowadays. It's basically: "After ignoring all the extremely important differences, isn't this thing you like just like this thing you hate? Hypocrite."
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#114I'll try to strictly source my remarks and refrain from commenting on the political content of the HK demonstrations to keep this purely factual, as I think this could be a rather controversial thread; however, it's interesting how different the reception to these demonstrations is to the reception to the US Capitol riots and the BLM demonstrations of last year. Hong Kong demonstrators have stormed government buildin…
Equating the two is ridiculous. The Capitol Riots were an attempt to overturn a free and fair democratic election in favor of the rioters preferred candidate. The HK protests are in relation to freedom from the Chinese Government's dictatorial rule. Democracy is what is most important in both of these situations. The Capitol Riots were anti democracy. The HK protests are pro democracy.
To curb this type of simplistic view on Sino-US relationship, and give both sides some light equally:
> free and fair democratic election
Depending on your sources, this can be a questionable statement.
> freedom from the Chinese Government's dictatorial rule.
Depending on your sources, this can be an equally questionable statement. Case in point: most of Chinese mainlander call CCP's rule as people's democracy. And Tiger Yang, the foreign affair chief in CCP, who recently slapped Mr. Blinken, claimed "American Democracy" should not be judged by Americans only, and he believed American Democracy is not fully supported in USA.
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#115The CPC propaganda department has ordered its local media to stagger the Oscars this year and downplay the event because this documentary short was nominated. https://variety.com/2021/film/asia/china-tells-media-stagger... I watched it recently and thought it didn't go nearly far enough in highlighting the abuses by the HK police, and even glossed over or omitted some very important events that triggered the continue…
All things considered, the Hong Kong police did what they had to given their precarious position. Compare the 2 deaths during a year of protesting to the 19 deaths within a couple weeks of the George Floyd protests. Keep in mind that they're stuck with the Hong Kong police even if they are allowed to become independent, so it doesn't make sense to demonize them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_Hong_Kong…
I disagree (but don't think your comment deserves oblivion).
The HK police force was riddled with corruption in the past (1940s to 1970s), but then (after the creation in 1974 of the Independent Commission Against Corruption) turned around and became highly professional, trusted, and respected, I'd say ("Asia's finest").
However, with the 2014 umbrella movement, they were necessarily pitted against the pro-democracy protesters, having to do the government's bidding, and things got polarised. Polarisation got worse with the 2019 (until now) Anti-Extradition Law protests: restaurants etc. declared themselves "yellow" (pro democracy, pro protesters) or "blue" (pro police, pro Beijing). [1]
And, yeah, things got so heated then that the cohesion slipped away and, I think, the HK police did more than "what they had to" while pushing back against the protesters, particularly after Chris Tang's appointment as the Commissioner of Police in November 2019.
Police brutality, excessive force, refusal to show identification (as required by law) [2], maybe even falsification of evidence have severely deteriorated trust.
Now, with the total crackdown by Beijing, using the courts and the police as their tool, things are only getting worse [3]. :-/
[1] https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/yellow-or-blue-i...
[2] https://hongkongfp.com/2019/06/21/hong-kong-activists-compla...
[3] https://hongkongfp.com/2021/01/04/explainer-how-the-national...
Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]
#116The CPC propaganda department has ordered its local media to stagger the Oscars this year and downplay the event because this documentary short was nominated. https://variety.com/2021/film/asia/china-tells-media-stagger... I watched it recently and thought it didn't go nearly far enough in highlighting the abuses by the HK police, and even glossed over or omitted some very important events that triggered the continue…
I mean they censored Winnie the Pooh because of light hearted comparisons between Pooh and Xi (that were arguably positive). [0][1]
Once you're doing that, pretty much anything is going to clear that bar.
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#117I'll try to strictly source my remarks and refrain from commenting on the political content of the HK demonstrations to keep this purely factual, as I think this could be a rather controversial thread; however, it's interesting how different the reception to these demonstrations is to the reception to the US Capitol riots and the BLM demonstrations of last year. Hong Kong demonstrators have stormed government buildin…
> To keep this in context, the current Hong Kong SAR government is democratically elected[6] according to the provisions of an international treaty signed by the PRC and the UK which took effect in 1997[7]. Democratically elected ? Note that hong kong functional constituency system is fully controlled by CCP. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_constituency_(Hong_...
So what?
A lot of government bodies are appointed by US president, and are "elected" only through some behind-curtain political exchanges.
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#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
All things considered, the Hong Kong police did what they had to given their precarious position. Compare the 2 deaths during a year of protesting to the 19 deaths within a couple weeks of the George Floyd protests. Keep in mind that they're stuck with the Hong Kong police even if they are allowed to become independent, so it doesn't make sense to demonize them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_Hong_Kong…
I got to say it's kind of fascinating seeing CCP talking points regurgitated on HN.
How is this a CCP talking point? If anything, the fact that Western HN commenters can't differentiate Hong Kong and the CCP actually paints the CCP as less violent than they actually are.
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#119The CPC propaganda department has ordered its local media to stagger the Oscars this year and downplay the event because this documentary short was nominated. https://variety.com/2021/film/asia/china-tells-media-stagger... I watched it recently and thought it didn't go nearly far enough in highlighting the abuses by the HK police, and even glossed over or omitted some very important events that triggered the continue…
Winnie the Pooh is the ultimate snowflake and his ego knows no bounds. The reason CCP reneged on the "one country, two systems" promise and a young generation is seeing their liberties stripped from them? Winnie the Pooh has delusions of grandeur and wants to be the one to reunite China(HK, Taiwan, etc). He's just a modern day conqueror.
Some unlucky generation was always going to be left holding the bag the minute UK/HK made this deal.
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#120The CPC propaganda department has ordered its local media to stagger the Oscars this year and downplay the event because this documentary short was nominated. https://variety.com/2021/film/asia/china-tells-media-stagger... I watched it recently and thought it didn't go nearly far enough in highlighting the abuses by the HK police, and even glossed over or omitted some very important events that triggered the continue…
American viewership of the Golden Globe awards sank to a new record low this year (likely the same will hold true of the Oscars) [1].
What percentage of Chinese mainlanders do you think watch American awards shows?
[1] https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/02/entertainment/golden-globe-ra...