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Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by HajiraSifre » Wed, Mar 17, 2021, 8:58 AM UTC

Obsnold wrote: post #26

dijit wrote: post #15

it should be noted that git (the binary) is also in the process of deprecating `master`. This is the message I get on my machine when running git init: hint: Using 'master' as the name for the initial branch. This default branch name hint: is subject to change. To configure the initial branch name to use in all hint: of your new repositories, which will suppress this warning, call: hint: hint: git config --global ini…

I just tested this and don't get any message. What version are you using?

> init: provide useful advice about init.defaultBranch

> To give ample warning for users wishing to override Git's the fall-back for an unconfigured `init.defaultBranch` (in case we decide to change it in a future Git version), let's introduce some advice that is shown upon `git init` when that value is not set.

https://github.com/git/git/commit/675704c74dd4476f455bfa91e7...

    git tag --contains 675704c74dd4476f455bfa91e72eb9e163317c10 | grep -v rc
    v2.30.0
    v2.30.1
    v2.30.2
    v2.31.0

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by myspy » Wed, Mar 17, 2021, 8:58 AM UTC

tda wrote: post #12

Though I initially sympathized with the name change from master to main (cause I don't care what it is called), I am now more of the opinion that this kind of window-dressing might actually be harmful as it distracts from addressing the root cause. It is a bit complicated as the name change in itself is not bad, but given the context, and that it distracts from addressing real issues it actually is. Same thing with p…

I think such a change generates awareness. A lot of problems linger in the tech sector I'm not really aware of. The write up of the article author sheds light again on biased recruitment in the tech sector. Something that appears to be a fundamental problem with the education sector in the US being broken.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by tsss » Wed, Mar 17, 2021, 8:58 AM UTC

thecopy wrote: post #30

sunaurus wrote: post #4

I feel like this topic has been discussed a lot already, but I think it's important to keep pushing back against useless wasted man-hours like this effort is. I live in a country that was almost entirely enslaved by foreigners for ~700 years. I've discussed this rename with dozens of engineers in my country. Without exception, every single one of them thinks it's completely ridiculous. We need to keep voicing these t…

>We need to keep voicing these thoughts so that decision-makers in large companies have a chance to hear us and realize that they should focus on more useful issues instead. I suppose they are not doing it for your feeling's sake. They are doing it to avoid being a target of a woke mob feigning offense for their own ideological gain in the on-going identity culture war which is happening in the west.

They are the woke mob. Who else ever cared about this? It's the doing of the toxic corporate diversity committees who pull this shit to appear like they're doing something against discrimination without actually making any meaningful changes.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by lanternfish » Wed, Mar 17, 2021, 8:58 AM UTC

PurpleFoxy wrote: post #40

qwerty456127 wrote: post #11

I would agree "slave" seems a weird choice of a word but I can see nothing wrong in "master". Not a single moment in my life I thought about slavery when hearing/seeing the word "master". Should we also rename master degrees perhaps?

Master bedroom, master record, master copy. The word master is just a synonym for main.

It should be noted that of all of the ways master is used in this thread, master bedroom is pretty high up there in bad history and connotation. The etymology derives from the 'master of the house', a term which historically served to diminish the agency of wives, servants, and slaves. I don't know about master/main, but I could definitely get behind renaming master bedrooms.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by spaniard89277 » Wed, Mar 17, 2021, 8:58 AM UTC

sunaurus wrote: post #4

I feel like this topic has been discussed a lot already, but I think it's important to keep pushing back against useless wasted man-hours like this effort is. I live in a country that was almost entirely enslaved by foreigners for ~700 years. I've discussed this rename with dozens of engineers in my country. Without exception, every single one of them thinks it's completely ridiculous. We need to keep voicing these t…

I think you're too naive. This decision makers are not worried about anything but their PR. Your competitor is the Woke mob, although they'll say they do it for you.

Adressing real issues cost money. Making bullshit changes is free.

The culture shock is particularly noticeable for non-anglo people.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by that_guy_iain » Wed, Mar 17, 2021, 8:58 AM UTC

kkoncevicius wrote: post #10

> Last summer an(other) unarmed black man was killed by police in Minneapolis, Minnesota. [...] So, what was tech’s big song and dance? Let’s remove offensive terminology from our collective lexicon. There were several casualties, white/blacklist are examples of words deemed to be too offensive to use. In my memory this started way before the recent BLM protests - around the time CoC (Code of Conduct) was being intro…

> around the time CoC (Code of Conduct) was being introduced.

The things about the CoCs that really annoyed me:

1. People would literally go around projects and send pull requests just to change the code of conduct to improve the wording even tho no one had made any complaints or anything. Anytime a CoC get added you would see more people mess around with the CoC than the code. It was like people just wanted to look like they were improving things while not actually doing anything.

2. The only blog posts I've seen about CoCs at conferences and stuff have sounded nuts. One was for SunshinePHP[0] where one of the infractions was someone flirting with someone who had a boyfriend who was at the conference and said she could do better. They wrote that they told the offender to go to his room to prevent him from being assaulted. But mentions nothing happening about a guy threatening violence for flirting. I would understand if they were threatening violence in response to violence but flirting, nah. Then there was the whole fast.ai[1] thing where the infraction was basically someone was offended on the behalf of someone else who wasn't offended.

[0] https://geekyboy.com/archives/1179

[1] https://www.fast.ai/2020/10/28/code-of-conduct/

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by user-the-name » Wed, Mar 17, 2021, 8:59 AM UTC

gspr wrote: post #81

There are parts of this article I agree with, and parts I disagree with, but this part just screaaaaams "I cannot possibly picture that any part of the world is in any way different from the US": > “Meritocracy!”, I hear you cry. “They pick from the most talented students. The ones that worked the hardest to get into the most elite schools. The black students should have just worked harder”. I guess mummy and daddy p…

The writer is not from the US.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by INTPenis » Wed, Mar 17, 2021, 8:59 AM UTC

Insanity wrote: post #74

rvnx wrote: post #52

Wasn't it GitLab actually ? Otherwise, about the article, it's unfair to say that we need to correct the AI/ML to a more "neutral" perspective. I'm always worried about artificial "neutrality", as neutrality often ends up just adding more weight to the perspective that you consider more socially and politically acceptable. In Australia for example, French people have a bad reputation because they tend to steal from s…

It's GitHub. If you create a new repository it will automatically suggest you change the name to `main` on the 'setup page'.

Actually it's in git now. I just got this warning when doing git init . last night.

Eh I realized the warning isn't in english but it basically says master will be changed to main and how I could set a global setting and how I could rename a newly created branch.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by dijit » Wed, Mar 17, 2021, 8:59 AM UTC

gspr wrote: post #91

dijit wrote: post #15

it should be noted that git (the binary) is also in the process of deprecating `master`. This is the message I get on my machine when running git init: hint: Using 'master' as the name for the initial branch. This default branch name hint: is subject to change. To configure the initial branch name to use in all hint: of your new repositories, which will suppress this warning, call: hint: hint: git config --global ini…

I wouldn't say it's in the process of deprecating "master". It's just reminding user that they shouldn't plainly assume that the default initial branch is, or will always be, named "master".

https://lore.kernel.org/git/xmqqwnu8z03c.fsf@gitster.g/

Based on this it does appear to be deprecated, the current favourite is 'main'

There are references in code to `PREPARE_FOR_MAIN_BRANCH`.

You can see some commentary on the mailling lists: https://lore.kernel.org/git/CAMP44s3DExJ-F=MKhKyupr5M0RDvr8k...

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by lcrz » Wed, Mar 17, 2021, 8:59 AM UTC

tda wrote: post #12

Though I initially sympathized with the name change from master to main (cause I don't care what it is called), I am now more of the opinion that this kind of window-dressing might actually be harmful as it distracts from addressing the root cause. It is a bit complicated as the name change in itself is not bad, but given the context, and that it distracts from addressing real issues it actually is. Same thing with p…

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