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The internet didn’t kill counterculture – you just won’t find it on Instagram

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Post by yowlingcat »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #100
imaginationra wrote: post #90

I run an independent film/animation/music/interactive studio- I have never owned any mobile phone and don't use any social media except for youtube. Our studio is not on any social media platforms. We are the counterculture. Our studio has released torrents of media over the past 15 years that I would classify as counterculture but you would never know because we aren't hustling on Zuckerbergian platforms or playing…

> its just not playing in the sandboxes everyone else is playing in Where is it playing?

Not the OP but I'll bite -- I've seen some incredible counterculture emerging out of what I like to term the IRC revival, or Discord communities. Discord and Roblox have fueled the communities creating a ton of the more interesting music I've discovered over the past year.

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Post by 1123581321 »

ontekhunhsentuh wrote: post #71
kart23 wrote: post #20

I agree that you have to be essentially anonymous to take part in counterculture these days. But the author claims that Discord and Reddit are examples of counterculture. I wholeheartedly disagree, these platforms are overly sanitized, moderated by the company, not the community. On Discord, people get banned for empty mass reports, and they can delete servers as they please. Reddit is valuable for driving communitie…

I'll add that Discord does not support right-to-read. They will occasionally remove a server and ban everyone who had access to that server, regardless of whether or not they had posted or participated in that server or contacted any members of that server. They view the act of reading the server posts as a bannable offense.

What incident are you referring to? Having trouble searching for it.

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Post by throwitaway1235 »

bitwize wrote: post #53
mdoms wrote: post #10

The truth is that today the counter-culture is the right wing dudes (and ladies) who won't be beholden to trigger warnings, won't treat particular words as if they have magical powers and won't try to get you fired if you openly believe that male and female are real concepts. If your cursor is hovering over the downvote button right now then that's natural - counter culture isn't popular. By definition.

No, that's not the counterculture. Those are just bigots butthurt by the fact that society is starting to enforce norms of human decency which the counterculture has promoted through example for decades. Meanwhile a child who stands up for trans people is being censored. As in, actual censorship, by the government: https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-commentary/canc...

LGBTQ+ are establishment identities. Being straight with a nuclear family is counter culture.

In 2021 Rolling Stone magazine is the epitome of establishment culture media.

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Post by airhead969 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #100
imaginationra wrote: post #90

I run an independent film/animation/music/interactive studio- I have never owned any mobile phone and don't use any social media except for youtube. Our studio is not on any social media platforms. We are the counterculture. Our studio has released torrents of media over the past 15 years that I would classify as counterculture but you would never know because we aren't hustling on Zuckerbergian platforms or playing…

> its just not playing in the sandboxes everyone else is playing in Where is it playing?

Special sandboxes with purple sand surrounded in velvet ropes only the cool kids know about. And with unlimited fresh lemonade, chocolate milk, and warm chocolate-chip cookies. You can almost see one during the winter solstice.

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Post by psychomugs »

greenonions wrote: post #92
itronitron wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A culture doesn't require that people meet up and agree on some way of doing things. Hence a counterculture does not need to be organized or even acknowledged while in process. It just happens and then gets written about a decade later.

Imagine the Instagram posts profiling the weirdos like myself who simply have not been using Instagram for the past decade for the Instagram audience. "What do you do when you visit a scenic vista, if not take pictures?" "I look at it for a time and leave."

Reminds me of the tyranny of the remembering self.

How much would you pay for a vacation where you can’t take any pictures and your memory is erased afterwards?

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Post by throwitaway1235 »

TameAntelope wrote: post #59
helen___keller wrote: post #18

I think this is the biggest takeaway for me: > We saw this dynamic metastasize in the wake of George Floyd’s murder, when well-intentioned claims of “silence is violence” (recalling the powerful 1987 ACT-UP “Silence = Death” campaign) spiraled into calling out individuals with even a small following who hadn’t come forward with a timely public statement of solidarity or remorse. Yet public posts were subject to popul…

What you're saying is and isn't true. One example of a countercultural movement that's been in the news recently is the DDoSecrets leaks/hacks (they get upset if you aren't clear that they're hackers). They've got a strong Twitter presence that helps them get their message out, but they conduct no "real" business on Twitter. So a counterculture can use the mainstream platforms, but they choose to do so only as a micr…

DDoSecrets targeted the most vulnerable voices in society, people banished to Gab for their political beliefs. They literally work for the liberal ruling system.

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Post by satellite2 »

TameAntelope wrote: post #106
satellite2 wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like a very strong stance to say that the publicly advertised leaks and hacks are not financially motivated.

I've thought a lot about what you're saying here, and I see no indication that's the case (corrupt/ulterior financial motivations related to their leaks/hacks). I am very curious how the members of DDoSecrets make their money, though (not that it's any of my business), mostly because the Twitter accounts I've been following seem to have a pretty strong disgust response to the idea of making money off of hacking in ge…

My bad, I tought you were talking in general. I'm not familiar with DDoSecrets so I cannot say much about their case specifically.

What I can say though is that generally the threat model for attackers slightly more sophisticated than script kiddies suggests that the preparations involve a non negligible amount of time from highly specialized engineers and that somehow, someone has to pay for it.

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Post by everdrive »

I was originally going to write a more thoughtful response, but then I got to this section:

"The names of these e-deologies tend to be both fantastical and literal."

"post-civilizationist"

"voluntarist post-agrarianist"

"Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism"

I've really never heard of categories like these. It makes me think the author has delved into subcultures I really have no experience in. In that sense her descriptions may or may not be valid. But, she makes no attempt to bring specificity to a lot of her claims. Who are these people in these subcultures? How many people are in them, and how many people are out of them?

In this sense, it reads a lot like a "cultural studies" piece; there is some great individual insight, but the overall essay makes claims it hasn't supported.

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Post by the_duke »

keiferski wrote: post #109
imaginationra wrote: post #90

I run an independent film/animation/music/interactive studio- I have never owned any mobile phone and don't use any social media except for youtube. Our studio is not on any social media platforms. We are the counterculture. Our studio has released torrents of media over the past 15 years that I would classify as counterculture but you would never know because we aren't hustling on Zuckerbergian platforms or playing…

YouTube is filled with so many interesting little channels. I wish the algorithms highlighted them more. I remember one channel of an old guy just smoking a cigar for an hour. Said nothing, just sat there. There were thousands of videos of him doing this, going back years. I don’t remember the name of it, unfortunately.

Can you share a few?

YouTube always seems to stick me in a bubble and never recommends any worthwhile new channels.

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Post by dylanblanchard »

keiferski wrote: post #109
imaginationra wrote: post #90

I run an independent film/animation/music/interactive studio- I have never owned any mobile phone and don't use any social media except for youtube. Our studio is not on any social media platforms. We are the counterculture. Our studio has released torrents of media over the past 15 years that I would classify as counterculture but you would never know because we aren't hustling on Zuckerbergian platforms or playing…

YouTube is filled with so many interesting little channels. I wish the algorithms highlighted them more. I remember one channel of an old guy just smoking a cigar for an hour. Said nothing, just sat there. There were thousands of videos of him doing this, going back years. I don’t remember the name of it, unfortunately.

might you be thinking of Adolfo Mateo? https://www.youtube.com/user/SMOKERSOFCIGARSPIPES/videos
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