> Kristof and the Times, of course, would prefer a national infrastructure project to provide free toilets. If you've followed this over the years, you will see many efforts at government provided toilets. Costs are often hundreds of thousands of dollars, and the effort falls apart. There are some free toilets. In Chicago, the park district still had some. Without the incentive to charge a bit of money, they were typ…
> Bathrooms aren't expensive to operate as long as Read the entire article. You need to hire an attendant or someone who at least cleans regularly. That’s the major cost, especially at $15/hour minimum wage + health benefits + 3 workers per 24-hour day.
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#113So Cochrane claims that toilet “attendant” work is “well suited to new immigrants.” Really? The rational for the claim is that immigrants “don't speak English, are not well attuned to American culture, and have little education or training.” Really? I don’t disagree with the overall point about public potty markets but there is something off putting about claiming that “dirty” jobs are for people without skills and t…
That could make a great comedy sketch. A posh-speaking student on walkabout takes a temp job explaining public toilets to urban Australian pedestrians. A few iterations later, and I still find myself trying to think of ways to make the premise less offensive...live comedy must be ridiculously difficult these days.
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#114I don't want to seem too accusatory, but this just felt like an angry rant without much research. I've been to a few places on this earth, and while I know there are some Europeans who'll proudly talk about how paying for toilets helps keep them clean, I haven't noticed them being any better than gas station bathrooms in the US. Some are okay, some are total disaster sites. The only difference is someone or a machine…
As somebody who is disabled and who is a cultural American holding both US and EU (Croatian) citizenship, this is the worst part about living in Europe for me.
I have autonomic dysreflexia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomic_dysreflexia
This is life threatening and it means I cannot hold it. I also have to go to the bathroom several times per day. Obviously I take medications for it. But, I also have to get Botox injections to my bladder every 3 months, under general anesthesia (as in intubated).
So, seriously f*** everyone who thinks it is OK to charge people to use the bathroom. For me, it is life threatening to not use the bathroom right away.
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#116I don't want to seem too accusatory, but this just felt like an angry rant without much research. I've been to a few places on this earth, and while I know there are some Europeans who'll proudly talk about how paying for toilets helps keep them clean, I haven't noticed them being any better than gas station bathrooms in the US. Some are okay, some are total disaster sites. The only difference is someone or a machine…
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#117I don't want to seem too accusatory, but this just felt like an angry rant without much research. I've been to a few places on this earth, and while I know there are some Europeans who'll proudly talk about how paying for toilets helps keep them clean, I haven't noticed them being any better than gas station bathrooms in the US. Some are okay, some are total disaster sites. The only difference is someone or a machine…
> gas station bathrooms in the US Gas station bathrooms in the US are also not usually free. As a non-white male I've been told frequently they are for customers only, and have had to on many occasions point to a car actively filling up gas so they can see that I am a customer. That said, I hate this culture though because when bathrooms aren't free, we end up with shit and urine on the sidewalks. Everyone has to poo…
I experience something life-threatening if I have to hold my bladder, known as autonomic dysreflexia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomic_dysreflexia
Anyways, I can walk and I look completely normal. I live in Europe (Croatia) and I have to pay to use public toilets/restrooms. Sometimes I have to go 20-30 times per day. Anyways, for me, this is the worst part about living in Europe.
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#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Parks and urban areas across the country have toilets that are well maintained..." is referring to far more than just major train stations and tourist sites.
On my last trip before COVID happened, I crossed the country and the only truly gruesome toilet I ran into was at a Tibetan monastery. YMMV.