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Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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Post by prostoalex »

bob33212 wrote: post #88
Moodles wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but we throw a really nice gay pride parade to show we're good people. Loads of BLM support on walls. Many of my colleagues updated their instagram filters.

I interviewed at a company based out of SF last week. The HR person had this long comment about diversity and how that is important at their company and asked what I've done in my career to support diversity. I told him a story about how a company I was at had decided to outsource some of the QA work to India and when the first employee in India came to the US to onboard I was very welcoming and did everything I coul…

"By relocating our manufacturing facility to China and laying off the corresponding employees domestically we have been able to vastly improve workforce diversity numbers".

Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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Post by bob33212 »

birken wrote: post #72
CryptoPunk wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, San Francisco is lagging cities in Texas in providing social services, which is why its homelesssness/street-disorder/drug-abuse problem is so much worse. There is a point at which you have to realize/admit that your ideological narrative, and the public sector interests who popularize it, are wrong. The left coast cities, from San Fran to Vancouver, have prioritized decriminalization of drugs, social services,…

SF is over 5x denser than Dallas, which is the densest major city in Texas. The problem with homelessness is people can't afford to live in homes. It is a lot easier to avoid homelessness when you have essentially endless space to build housing.

I certainly can't afford to live on Madison Ave in NYC. But instead of living in a tent on the street on Madison Ave, I live in a city that is much cheaper than NYC and I don't live in the most expensive part of town.

Should NYC provide me housing if I start living in a tent on Madison Ave?

Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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Post by lostcolony »

sriram_sun wrote: post #3

Anecdata - San Diego prices are going way up - folks moving from Bay Area.

Everywhere is. There's a shortage of homes (reduced build the past decade due to surplus at the time), and the rock bottom mortgage prices + remote work requiring more space means a lot of people looking to buy. High demand + low supply = rising prices.

Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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Post by ra7 »

Those who left SF Bay Area, do you regret it? Why or why not?

I'm currently thinking about moving to a different state as it makes sense financially, but I have an attachment with the Bay Area and what it offers (especially as an immigrant), so I'm hesitant to move. I'm interested to hear experiences of people who recently left.

Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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Post by chrisseaton »

taylorlapeyre wrote: post #101
setpatchaddress wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SF’s homeless problem is out of control in a way that it isn’t in most large cities. You can’t say “that’s just life”.

I certainly never said that homelessness is “just life.” I’m just realistic. San Francisco will probably always have this problem to some extent, and it’s our responsibility as San Franciscans to help alleviate it as much as possible. None of this has to do with my original point about San Francisco’s recent changes, which I have personally experienced as having a much higher density of artists.

> San Francisco will probably always have this problem to some extent

But why?

Other cities don't. For example Liechtenstein has literally no homeless people in the entire country. They had to close their last homeless shelter... because it was empty.

Many other global cities have single-digit homeless per 100k population. Why does San Francisco have literally ten thousand homeless people and why are the numbers still growing?

"will probably always have this problem" is bat-shit insane.

Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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Post by almost_usual »

tppiotrowski wrote: post #45

I never understood why companies paid the living costs of SF instead of locating in the Midwest or smaller cities. Someone told me it’s because SF is where all the talent goes so it would be unwise to locate elsewhere. Maybe COVID has revealed that geography is not as important to success as people believed.

I’m glad SF and tech exists, met my wife here and made an unimaginable amount of money.

Was a C average student in high school and debated even going to a mediocre college.

Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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Post by ghaff »

sn41 wrote: post #77
tppiotrowski wrote: post #45

I never understood why companies paid the living costs of SF instead of locating in the Midwest or smaller cities. Someone told me it’s because SF is where all the talent goes so it would be unwise to locate elsewhere. Maybe COVID has revealed that geography is not as important to success as people believed.

1. Closeness to the Stanford university ecosystem which promoted tech. Berkeley isn't too far away physically, though it may not be very near ideologically. Talent helps. 2. Matthew Effect: The (talent-)rich (cities) get richer. 3. Weather. I have lived at some point in the midwest. Shovelling snow in a morning storm so that you can get in the car to go to office is not something I'd want to do again. Maybe Denver ha…

While I think all that's true, tons of people manage to deal with states with snow including metros with major university systems. It's not a deal-breaker for most. Furthermore, there are lots of ways people can get together and collaborate. I even live near a local office that I rarely go into. I mostly meet people when traveling.

Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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Post by ojnabieoot »

bob33212 wrote: post #88
Moodles wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but we throw a really nice gay pride parade to show we're good people. Loads of BLM support on walls. Many of my colleagues updated their instagram filters.

I interviewed at a company based out of SF last week. The HR person had this long comment about diversity and how that is important at their company and asked what I've done in my career to support diversity. I told him a story about how a company I was at had decided to outsource some of the QA work to India and when the first employee in India came to the US to onboard I was very welcoming and did everything I coul…

The HR guy was probably looking for an answer that wasn’t “we hired this nonwhite person specifically because he was cheaper than someone in the United States.”

Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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Post by throwaway3699 »

typest wrote: post #69
throwaway3699 wrote: post #19

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Cities are the root cause, imo. As a society we need to spread out towards the countryside more.

Cities are more efficient and sustainable. Most importantly, cities bring people together to enable cooperation, therefore acting as a multiplier on what is produced and generally making humanity better off. What’s needed are better run cities.

I'm not so sure that's even possible. The city reduces every single person's available personal space, naturally tensions will increase as a result.

Re: Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are leaving San Francisco

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Post by jmgao »

kwdc wrote: post #90
rcpt wrote: post #49

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> the city is so mismanaged it's a joke > I genuinely have no clue where the high taxes go. > tech bros step over needles and homeless people on their way to make their 200k a year. > Why didn't they build more houses here? I don't think you've learned about Prop 13 yet. Ignorance is bliss here. Yes there are answers to your questions, but California is more enjoyable when you're just confused about these things.

This the one? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_California_Proposition_13

No, this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_California_Proposition_13

Basically, home value for property taxes gets assessed once, when you buy the property, and it can only go up by inflation after that.

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