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100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say

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Re: 100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say

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Hi from the developed world.. just checked, the slowest available broadband here is 200Mpbs/20Mpbs. Default is 200/200, I and most people I know went with 1000/1000Mpbs.

It is that way in some areas that have competition, but not many. I'm curious where you are at? And how much is 1000/1000 per month?

Re: 100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say

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> 25/3 Mbps is a very reasonable speed for most people. the issue is that its provided on a best effort basis that is never maintained for long, if at all. netflix says thats enough to stream UHD[0] Please expand upon your point. Why exactly is 25/3 reasonable for most people? I'm not necessarily disagreeing; indeed, this would be a god-level speed compared to what's currently standard for most of Latin America. Howe…

> your point about Netflix is irrelevant because not every use case can be buffered nothing special about netflix, just a service that most people use. even their highest quality offering is streamable if we actually got advertised speeds. just trying to say that 25 isnt a meaningful cap for most people. > require better up speed than 3Mbps with bad ping and high jitter rejectfinite makes this point downthread and i…

> 100Mbps download so that multiple people can simultaneously stream 4k video is not a sane default.

It is if you don't want to update the minimum every 5 years. 100 isn't even high enough, IMO. It should be at least 500 down and at least 100 up to be safe for another decade, maybe 2.

If the pandemic has shown most of the world anything, it's that people need internet with high speeds. With the increasing gap between rich and poor, there are more people in flat shares too (per flat and total flat shares). Houses are bought later, if at all.

Re: 100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say

#113

Hi from the developed world.. just checked, the slowest available broadband here is 200Mpbs/20Mpbs. Default is 200/200, I and most people I know went with 1000/1000Mpbs.

Seems pretty condescending.

I hope you realize that the US is not uniform as a single entity, because I live here, and I can also say "hi from the developed world", given I have at least 2 providers here willing to give me symmetrical 1000Mbps up/down for $50-70 with no data caps (and I have been using one of them for the past 2 years and couldn't be happier). But this is far from being the case everywhere in the US.

Re: 100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say

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Does the cost of running a network depend on network utilization? Does a network that is more heavily used require more maintenance?

Yes. If the network is more heavily used, it will require more capacity where it connects to other parts of the network or other networks. More ports and more wires means more failures of ports and wires and more diagnosis of ports and wires and more replacement of ports and wires. Or, if capacity is not increased to meet demand, you need more people at the callcenter to ignore customer complaints.

That sounds like a fixed cost to build the network, not the cost of running the network. I agree, building a higher capacity network is more expensive, but how does the cost of running a network change with utilization? If a network is underutilized does it somehow cost less to operate?

Re: 100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say

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25/3 is a little sad for modern computing. It's ok for video streaming and conference calls. And I guess that's the minimal threshold. But with more and more services and offerings in the cloud, especially iCloud that just happily backs-up data out of the box and OneDrive 1TB corporate plan it's not going to win any awards. With the pandemic and the changes in work from home habits, if I was a small town mayor I'd be…

Unfortunately, mayors haven't been seeing a lot of resources to work with this year. First priority will always be to stop the bleeding. And, of course, printing money isn't an option for them, so the opportunity will mostly be missed.

Re: 100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say

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It's asymmetric, providing far less upload capacity than download.

It can be, but the two biggest PON operators in the US (AT&T and Verizon) offer symmetric speeds.

AT&T fiber in San Jose was GPON which is a 2.5 G down/1.25G up, split to several households (where I was, it was sixish lots per pole, but some lots had several units, and I'm not sure if the fiber to the pole was split earlier). They sell 1g/1g service on that, and it's clearly oversubscribed heavier on upload than download. 2:1 down:up is way better than most DSL ratios, and I usually saw better up than down speeds.

Re: 100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say

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25/3 is a little sad for modern computing. It's ok for video streaming and conference calls. And I guess that's the minimal threshold. But with more and more services and offerings in the cloud, especially iCloud that just happily backs-up data out of the box and OneDrive 1TB corporate plan it's not going to win any awards. With the pandemic and the changes in work from home habits, if I was a small town mayor I'd be…

Unfortunately, mayors haven't been seeing a lot of resources to work with this year. First priority will always be to stop the bleeding. And, of course, printing money isn't an option for them, so the opportunity will mostly be missed.

> And, of course, printing money isn't an option for them

They can always borrow, and make up for it in higher property taxes.

Re: 100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say

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I'm I reading that right that a "940/450 Mbps" fiber plan is ~$10 a month??

It looks that way to me (40 LEI ~= $9.81 USD). Personally I'm more impressed that they advertise a 200/100 Mbps minimum speed. I'm not sure I've ever seen a minimum speed listed by a US residential ISP. If you're very lucky they'll tell you the average speed to expect and not a theoretical maximum. They also didn't say anything about data caps, though there could be something in the contracts. I don't read Romanian m…

>They also didn't say anything about data caps

I doubt they have any.

Re: 100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say

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I'm I reading that right that a "940/450 Mbps" fiber plan is ~$10 a month??

It looks that way to me (40 LEI ~= $9.81 USD). Personally I'm more impressed that they advertise a 200/100 Mbps minimum speed. I'm not sure I've ever seen a minimum speed listed by a US residential ISP. If you're very lucky they'll tell you the average speed to expect and not a theoretical maximum. They also didn't say anything about data caps, though there could be something in the contracts. I don't read Romanian m…

No data caps. No subsidy either. Or who knows, maybe sometimes in some remote villages (?)

Main reasons for such a good network and low prices: low income and piracy, which fueled a giant "duct-taped" Lan infrastructure some 20 years ago, with ISP's at every corner, which were then bought because the infrastructure was already there.

See the link in my other comment here for a better explanation.

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