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Re: Mining Ethereum on M1 Mac GPU

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There are a few (mostly Bitcoin forks), and you can probably make some profit mining them, but they are not big enough to have a significant impact on the global demand for GPUs. At this point, most crypto projects with any real traction (with the obvious exception of Bitcoin) are either ERC-20 tokens running on Ethereum, or other PoS chains that claim to be better than Ethereum (i.e. Cardano). Bitcoin isn't mined wi…

What is bitcoin mined with now?

ASICs.

Re: Mining Ethereum on M1 Mac GPU

#112

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There are a few (mostly Bitcoin forks), and you can probably make some profit mining them, but they are not big enough to have a significant impact on the global demand for GPUs. At this point, most crypto projects with any real traction (with the obvious exception of Bitcoin) are either ERC-20 tokens running on Ethereum, or other PoS chains that claim to be better than Ethereum (i.e. Cardano). Bitcoin isn't mined wi…

What is bitcoin mined with now?

ASICs like the Ant miner series.

Re: Mining Ethereum on M1 Mac GPU

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We pay about $0.10 in British Columbia, Canada. There is a $0.20 daily base rate and over a certain amount it steps up to $0.14. It’s 95% hydro electric so it’s green too. https://app.bchydro.com/accounts-billing/rates-energy-use/el...

hydro is really not that green: salmons are losing their spawning runs for an example in your area. Also not renewable, because dams get filled with sediment and lose capacity over time.

Depending on the impounded area they can (in some cases) be worse than fossil fuels for greenhouse gases.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode/not-all-h...

Re: Mining Ethereum on M1 Mac GPU

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Yes, that’s why a carbon tax is stupid and „emissions trading“ was invented. Under such a system the government sells a limited amount of certificates during an IPO. Later, the biggest energy consumers buy emission rights from the best energy savers.

Still incentive the energy savers to make investment to save more, so they can sell more rights, and incentive the biggest energy consumer to consume a bit less so they pay less. I wouldn't call that stupid

Part of the emission trading concept is to reduce the number of certificates in circulation overtime to increase the energy saving incentive („cap and trade“). The government can do this by buying certificates or reducing the amount free certificates assigned every year. The details are a bit more complicated but were implemented already over ten years ago in the European Union. There is simply no need for an additional carbon tax if this scheme is maintained well.

Re: Mining Ethereum on M1 Mac GPU

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Where I live (southeastern US) it's $0.089/kWh. There's additional taxes on it that make it functionally closer to $0.10. But yeah, fairly cheap. Which is a good thing because we have electric heat and it's been a very cold month. I'm expecting an about $350 bill.

It is also a bad thing because it makes it reasonable to live in houses that are not properly insulated and just run the air heater on full blast all winter, like I did when I was living in the US. In Denmark the kWh price is around 0.5$ (the wast majority of that is taxes), and the energy efficiency of the house is a key data point in any house purchase and is always listed next to the price.

In many US locations we use gas heat instead of electric. It’s far more efficient to burn fuel for heat instead of burning fuel for electricity and then converting that electricity to heat.

US building codes are also increasingly strict about insulation and energy efficiency. Premium home builders go even further with insulation. In some locations, new houses are so well insulated and sealed that extra fresh air heat recovery units are necessary to exchange the indoor air.

Re: Mining Ethereum on M1 Mac GPU

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It is also a bad thing because it makes it reasonable to live in houses that are not properly insulated and just run the air heater on full blast all winter, like I did when I was living in the US. In Denmark the kWh price is around 0.5$ (the wast majority of that is taxes), and the energy efficiency of the house is a key data point in any house purchase and is always listed next to the price.

In many US locations we use gas heat instead of electric. It’s far more efficient to burn fuel for heat instead of burning fuel for electricity and then converting that electricity to heat. US building codes are also increasingly strict about insulation and energy efficiency. Premium home builders go even further with insulation. In some locations, new houses are so well insulated and sealed that extra fresh air heat…

Electricity may be a bad example. Creating electricity is very efficient. Its marginally more efficient to use gas? What's better about gas heat is, it takes load off the (possibly) overloaded electric grid, taking pressure off the need to expand it.

Re: Mining Ethereum on M1 Mac GPU

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> Is it worth it? > Um. Not really. At current Ethereum prices (2021-02-26), it generates $0.14 of profit per day. It’s still a profit, but very miniscule. The real question is if it makes more money than it costs in electricity. Apple claims it uses 39 W max. That adds up to 0.936 kWh of electricity per day, which we can approximate at 1 kWh. Electricity prices range from ~4¢ to ~20¢ per kWh in the USA, which means…

Re the capital cost: Assuming profit of 10c/day and that an M1 mac is about $1000 it'll be about 274 years before you pay that off.

I have a friend who's been getting into it. As he tells me prices and how much can be made per day with various video cards, versus dedicated mining ASIC's, I do quick mental calculations. It seems like all of the options seem to be market priced at a payback around 8-10 months. Given the current mining furor, I'm doubting that consumer-grade equipment will be very profitable in another year. If you already had the hardware for Bitcoin, you're probably cleaning up on Etherium, but to start now? You're really only going to make money once the next currency catches on. I don't know. Maybe this is only a fiction I tell myself to avoid feelings of missing out on something fun and interesting, and potentially profitable.

Re: Mining Ethereum on M1 Mac GPU

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> Is it worth it? > Um. Not really. At current Ethereum prices (2021-02-26), it generates $0.14 of profit per day. It’s still a profit, but very miniscule. The real question is if it makes more money than it costs in electricity. Apple claims it uses 39 W max. That adds up to 0.936 kWh of electricity per day, which we can approximate at 1 kWh. Electricity prices range from ~4¢ to ~20¢ per kWh in the USA, which means…

Is electricity really that cheap in the USA? The cheapest price I've found for my city here in Germany is like 0,24 EUR. And this is already including a new customer discount and cashback. Not even guaranteed green energy... 0,24 EUR is currently ~0,29 USD. That's 0,29 USD for my cheapest price against your most expensive price with 0,20 USD.

In Quebec I pay 0.0938 CAD.

Re: Mining Ethereum on M1 Mac GPU

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hydro is really not that green: salmons are losing their spawning runs for an example in your area. Also not renewable, because dams get filled with sediment and lose capacity over time.

> dams get filled with sediment and lose capacity over time I'm struggling to believe this. Can you name one dam on Earth that has lost over 10% capacity due to sediment?

> I'm struggling to believe this.

If seems you didn't even did the most basic cursory search on the issue.

Here's literally the first hit on a google search for "dam sediment".

https://www.hydroreview.com/world-regions/dealing-with-sedim...

And think about it: what's a dam reservoir other than a big old sedimentation basin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sediment_basin

Also, think about it: hydro power is not the only use for a dam. They are also typically used for things such as flood control, water supply, and energy storage. All of those usecases rely on the sam's ability to hold water (and it's sediments) and lower discharge, if not totally block it.

Re: Mining Ethereum on M1 Mac GPU

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It is also a bad thing because it makes it reasonable to live in houses that are not properly insulated and just run the air heater on full blast all winter, like I did when I was living in the US. In Denmark the kWh price is around 0.5$ (the wast majority of that is taxes), and the energy efficiency of the house is a key data point in any house purchase and is always listed next to the price.

In many US locations we use gas heat instead of electric. It’s far more efficient to burn fuel for heat instead of burning fuel for electricity and then converting that electricity to heat. US building codes are also increasingly strict about insulation and energy efficiency. Premium home builders go even further with insulation. In some locations, new houses are so well insulated and sealed that extra fresh air heat…

Building codes are strict, but unfortunately building codes aren't often followed closely enough.

I recently noticed in the house I just purchased that a lot of cold air was coming in behind my kitchen cabinets and appliances. I pulled out my range and noticed that cold air was rushing through the gap between the drywall and the floor. Fortunately a can of expandable foam was an easy fix.

This house is only 2 years old. Corners were cut when building which makes this home not as efficient as it could be. I'm hoping to make gradual improvements.

Even though my electricity rate is only around $0.12/kwh and my gas bill isn't high, I'd still like to do what I can both for the environment and to save money.

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