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Windows Refund Day (1999)

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Re: Windows Refund Day (1999)

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Hey, I was there! I'm the one in the jean jacket, and the plastic penguins that people are holding up were mine (and I still have them!). Edit: I also still have my copy of the form letter that Microsoft handed out to us, which I transcribed at http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/dear-valued-customer.html

Wow this letter is brutal!

Re: Windows Refund Day (1999)

#112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For some things yes, but not for all things. I can think of 2: For a remote interview that I had a while back over Cisco WebEx, when things didn't work on my Fedora machine immediately, I'm glad I had my wife's XPS13 with Windows as stand by. Zero time wasted, worked immediately. If that didnt work, it would have been a phone call. I really wouldn't have wanted to muck around with some other distro at that point in t…

@srazzaque: "For those situations where someone emails me an Excel or Word file that they would like my edits in, and I'm simply not in the position to extoll the virtues of open formats or coach them in Markdown or LaTeX, I have a Windows VM and office." Why not get them to install LibreOffice and sent you the spreadsheet in the native format? https://www.libreoffice.org/

LibreOffice doesn’t format all Word documents the same. They’ve done an amazing job, but AFAIK, they haven’t solved every quirk. Also, if you use Excel, Calc doesn’t support everything from VBA. So esoteric VBA macros won’t work sometimes.

Don’t get me wrong, I’d love for LibreOffice to become better, but having Office on a second install is also a sortove “insurance” for when LibreOffice doesn’t work 100% on old documents.

(The Office XML based file formats are a lot better here. I’m mostly talking about the old OLE-dump pre-XML formats)

Re: Windows Refund Day (1999)

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post #6

> The windows EULA (End User License Agreement) clearly states that the agreement can be refused by the end user, and that windows can be returned to the manufacturer. In real life, however, manufacturers typically say that they can't refund the windows license and tell the user to contact microsoft directly. I can't say I really blame manufacturers for doing that [...] I can. If companies want to profit by being a m…

> > The windows EULA (End User License Agreement) clearly states that the agreement can be refused by the end user, and that windows can be returned to the manufacturer. In real life, however, manufacturers typically say that they can't refund the windows license and tell the user to contact microsoft directly.

I did just that, called MS and they had very politely asked me to f*ck off or contact the manufacturer again, the license was issued to the small family company where this was a very unnecessary expense (so there were no consumer protection laws applicable to this). In practice this is all empty promises, now I just furiously refuse to deal with Windows and Microsoft because of their dishonesty.

Re: Windows Refund Day (1999)

#114
post #6

> The windows EULA (End User License Agreement) clearly states that the agreement can be refused by the end user, and that windows can be returned to the manufacturer. In real life, however, manufacturers typically say that they can't refund the windows license and tell the user to contact microsoft directly. I can't say I really blame manufacturers for doing that [...] I can. If companies want to profit by being a m…

Many OEMs did try to ship PCs without Windows and Microsoft abused their monopoly to “encourage” OEMs and retailers back into the fold. This was one of the cases brought up in the Microsoft anti-trust investigations.

Re: Windows Refund Day (1999)

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I love how, now, I can just order a Dell or Lenovo and just ask for "no OS installed". I wish getting an ANSI keyboard were that easy around here (Ireland)

Have you tried reaching out to Dell on the chat? We buy the Precision laptops in Switzerland, and there's a number of keyboard options (including US)[0]. I checked Dell UK for a similar device [1] but they only have German, UK or French listed.

[0] - https://www.dell.com/de-ch/work/shop/notebooks/neu-xps-15/sp...

[1] - https://www.dell.com/en-uk/work/shop/laptop-computers-for-bu...

(edited for formatting of references)

Re: Windows Refund Day (1999)

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Windows is insurance. I love Linux and exclusively (at home) use it daily. I love the idea of open source and the unmatched flexibility that comes with it - I can customize my desktop to match my workflow to the nth degree. However, sometimes (very rarely now a days), stuff breaks and when I absolutely cannot afford to spend 30 mins troubleshooting, I reboot into Windows and basically get the job done. I do get back…

I love Linux and use it exclusively at home (there's a corporate macbook once a month)

The last time I booted from a rescue cd or similar would be early 2000s. I certainly wouldn't be able to "get stuff done" in windows, wouldn't know where to begin.

Re: Windows Refund Day (1999)

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Windows is insurance. I love Linux and exclusively (at home) use it daily. I love the idea of open source and the unmatched flexibility that comes with it - I can customize my desktop to match my workflow to the nth degree. However, sometimes (very rarely now a days), stuff breaks and when I absolutely cannot afford to spend 30 mins troubleshooting, I reboot into Windows and basically get the job done. I do get back…

You must have the golden Windows installation that never breaks itself! Be careful with it!

Well, it doesn't break because Linux is where I spend the lion's share of my time. So the Windows setup basically just stays almost unchanged (I'm quite careful with the software updates on Windows so that also helps).

Re: Windows Refund Day (1999)

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post #73

Windows is insurance. I love Linux and exclusively (at home) use it daily. I love the idea of open source and the unmatched flexibility that comes with it - I can customize my desktop to match my workflow to the nth degree. However, sometimes (very rarely now a days), stuff breaks and when I absolutely cannot afford to spend 30 mins troubleshooting, I reboot into Windows and basically get the job done. I do get back…

Since you enjoy tinkering with linux have you considered trying Fedora Silverblue/NixOS/Guix or the like? It's quite a steep learning curve but almost guarentees that you're never left in a bad state of configuration. I'm of a similar mindset and in my period of using Windows as a daily driver I concluded that neither Windows or Linux was that much more unstable but it is my tinkering that causes 99% of my own proble…

I did explore installing Fedora but found its installer confusing compared to Ubuntu's installer so ended up just using Pop!_OS (which is based on Ubuntu so uses the same installer).

Re: Windows Refund Day (1999)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d like to buy a phone and then get a refund for the screen, microphone, camera, battery, speakers, case, antennas and the modem. And the software too please. Of course this only worked because Microsoft put this in the license and they have taken it out long ago. You can’t return Windows for a refund anymore.

No, you can't return it, but at least in EU you are 100% allowed to take that licence and sell it on, no matter what the EULA says.

> Retailers in EU(and EEA and UK) have to take the product back if you don't agree with the licence

> No, you can't return it, but at least in EU you are 100% allowed to take that licence and sell it on

You’re contradicting yourself.

PS license is spelled with an s

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