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u/DeepFuckingValue and the GameStop Reddit mania

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Re: u/DeepFuckingValue and the GameStop Reddit mania

#111

I know this forum is capitalist to the core, but there is a lack of appreciation for this moment and an undue air of cynicism. This whole situation breaks a ton of fundamental assumptions about how markets work and will change hedging strategies for a lot of investors moving forward. Yes, we know there are hedge funds on both sides of this equation (Blackrock owns 12% of Gamestop, Burry made a ton and smartly got out…

Scaramucci called it "the French Revolution of Finance."

To push the analogy: When does Robespierre get his?

Re: u/DeepFuckingValue and the GameStop Reddit mania

#112
post #88

I'm honestly confused by the press around this event. I get it, /DFV started a short squeeze and got rich, that is great for him. I don't support naked shorting, it should probably be illegal (if it is not already) and it looks that was part of the reason this happened. Everyone has been suspecting for a while (especially here) that a lot of volatility in stocks like TSLA etc was due to Robinhood. As of 5:33 EST, I'm…

Wasn't LTCM blowing up a pretty big deal?

yes, but there were nobel laureates involved.

Re: u/DeepFuckingValue and the GameStop Reddit mania

#113
post #86
post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well if a stock market crash triggered by this is realistic (which I agree is), doesn't it make sense to hold a bit of GME for insurance? I understand that there's no guarantee one will be able to exit it successfully even if it flies so high that it crashes the market. However I don't see a better insurance for people who don't have access to options/inverse etfs and don't want to sell their stocks.

GME is absolutely going to crash and everyone knows it. There was a mod post just today reminding everyone to be ready. The stock is worth $10-20 on it's merits and that's where it will land. We just don't know when. The chance of this as a contagion that brings down indexes seems very unlikely.

I think this whole episode might cause the next market sell-off:

(1) fund degrossing as the initial driver - already happening

(2) everyone is being reminded of 99/00 mania

(3) uncertain regulatory environment surrounding trading

(4) worries of systemic risks created by bubble

GME going higher is likely to trigger it more than it dropping off right now

Re: u/DeepFuckingValue and the GameStop Reddit mania

#114

I know this forum is capitalist to the core, but there is a lack of appreciation for this moment and an undue air of cynicism. This whole situation breaks a ton of fundamental assumptions about how markets work and will change hedging strategies for a lot of investors moving forward. Yes, we know there are hedge funds on both sides of this equation (Blackrock owns 12% of Gamestop, Burry made a ton and smartly got out…

I can't help but think Wall Street needs a Cloudflare to handle future DDoS. Opportune time to start one if such a business doesn't exist already?

Re: u/DeepFuckingValue and the GameStop Reddit mania

#115
post #89
post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because he's still in doesn't mean that it's actually worth $300 on the fundamentals. I could definitely see the argument that $20 was undervalued, but it's plain to see that the short-squeeze is now part of the calculation of value. There is no way that GameStop has an actual fundamental value of $300 per share. That price is clearly inflated, and in a few weeks will decrease, probably to somewhere above $20, b…

Trying to figure out the "fundamental" value of anything is a fools errand. Im not saying GME wont drop eventually but there is no value on fundamentals of everything. Look at all the short-sellers of TSLA who made the same mistake. These companies are valued on what the market decides and we all know "The market is irrational".

Wsb can remain irrational longer than the market can remain solvent. That was a comment by a poster which I find funny.

Re: u/DeepFuckingValue and the GameStop Reddit mania

#116

I'm honestly confused by the press around this event. I get it, /DFV started a short squeeze and got rich, that is great for him. I don't support naked shorting, it should probably be illegal (if it is not already) and it looks that was part of the reason this happened. Everyone has been suspecting for a while (especially here) that a lot of volatility in stocks like TSLA etc was due to Robinhood. As of 5:33 EST, I'm…

Robinhood investors, collectively account for something like 10% of the money thrown at TSLA. The reason why TSLA surged after S&P inclusion is because the "smart money" (huge benchmarked funds) was waiting to buy TSLA in a post S&P dip, but were caught out.

Now, the really smart money is buying equal weight into TSLA on this dip!

Re: u/DeepFuckingValue and the GameStop Reddit mania

#117
post #89
post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because he's still in doesn't mean that it's actually worth $300 on the fundamentals. I could definitely see the argument that $20 was undervalued, but it's plain to see that the short-squeeze is now part of the calculation of value. There is no way that GameStop has an actual fundamental value of $300 per share. That price is clearly inflated, and in a few weeks will decrease, probably to somewhere above $20, b…

Trying to figure out the "fundamental" value of anything is a fools errand. Im not saying GME wont drop eventually but there is no value on fundamentals of everything. Look at all the short-sellers of TSLA who made the same mistake. These companies are valued on what the market decides and we all know "The market is irrational".

You're taking a couple of exceptions and deduct that fundamentals don't matter. That's like taking two people who smoke and reached 90 without cancer and assume cancer studies are fools errand.

Re: u/DeepFuckingValue and the GameStop Reddit mania

#118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you know that there is only one fish and a lot of sharks, sure. But with payment for order flow you know there are tons of other fish at the table. That changes things, as you only have to beat the other fish to get a small payout. And the sharks aren't focusing on you in particular, so you might get lucky and beat the sharks.

Isn't that the "bigger fool" theory? To quote Obi-Wan: "Who's more foolish? The fool or the one who follows him?"

Well, yes and no.

If you assume that all Joe Random on Robinhood can do is to chase momentum and try to offload before everyone else, then yes.

But if you believe that certain Joe Randoms are actually talented and lucky enough to identify a bona fide unrealized potential in a stock and then invest in that, all the other Joe Randoms doing stuff provides enough noise that you don't get immediately picked up as a signal by the big players who can outgun you.

Re: u/DeepFuckingValue and the GameStop Reddit mania

#119
post #26

What makes WSB legal vs emails about imminent pump on an unspectacular stock? What stops somebody from purchasing aged reddit accounts and then pumping up, upvoting their own threads?

nothing. I'm in the social media business and I can tell you it's very easy to make 5 figures/month gaming reddit(as an individual operation) using farmed accounts and it's been going on for years. Not necessarily with stock schemes. they got next to none security when it comes to stuff like this. agency that I worked at a few years ago literally had thousands of aged reddit/twitter accounts in their portfolio. there…

Please tell me how to make 30-50k a month gaming reddit. I will quit my job immediately

Re: u/DeepFuckingValue and the GameStop Reddit mania

#120

He posted his daily update today, he has not sold his shares through all of this chaos. Talk about "diamond hands". https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/l846a1/gme_...

How much does a successful youtuber/internet personality make? It seems like he might have even some economic incentive not to jump ship and risk losing social cache
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