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Twitter Confirms It Halted 'Hang Mike Pence' as a Trending Topic

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post #32

This would be whack-a-mole otherwise, but when I saw this trending the vast majority of the tweets were sharing videos of people chanting that slogan in the Capitol amidst the storm. By suppressing the sharing of that information people are actually less likely to be aware that's what they were chanting (I know I would be less aware because that's where I learned about it). Now I guess there's the potential they were…

This is a perfect example of why social media is a total disaster and no one should be trusting it for anything at all. There are many, many things that seem to be taken as fact on social media that are impossible to find on any reputable media source. Maybe the crowd was chanting hang Mike Pence, maybe not. I'll wait until a credible source reports it. The AP had reporters in the crowd (getting assaulted [1]), presu…

At least these you don't have to rely on a reputable source -- much of what happened in the capitol was captured on video. In some cases, it was streamed live.

You still need to take care to see the entire context of the situation -- It's still easy to be fooled by a 2 minute clip but it's much harder with a 20 minute or hour long clip.

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#112

These people are a lost cause. There was a vicious attack on an unassuming black woman in LA yesterday where more than 20 trump supporters held her down and punched and maced her. These people are terrorists and should be dealt with accordingly.

I see a of comments like this expressing frustration, but find them confusing. They are framed as an opinion or position, but don't contain any real substance.

Who exactly are these people?

What exactly do you mean by "to be a "lost cause"?

What does it mean to be treated like a terrorist?

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#113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

President Trump supported the Capitol -protests-, not the invasaion. The media has worked very hard to conflate the two. Nobody wants our institutional buildings to be invaded. That was also a general and very peaceful invasion, not people specifically targeting small businesses during a pandemic and burning them down for no reason other than because they can. It's not really comparable unless you omit all context.

Some people clearly do want it. It happened. If trump didn’t want it he could have stopped it with the platform he has / had.

Well, he did tell people to calm down and go home. May have been some of the tweets that were quickly taken down?

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#114
post #23

Why would a Trump supporter want to “hang Mike Pence” when he has been loyal to him for 4 years and just did his constitutional duty on the 6th ? I am lost for words

It's the same old extremist playbook that's been in operation in American politics since at least 2001. You're either with us or against us, no room for debate, our way or the highway, literal saint or literal demon. Then turn around and claim that your opponents don't want to hear you out or compromise, because to you compromise means getting everything you want.

It’s older than that.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_McCarthy

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Coughlin

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Jackson

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#115
post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Almost everyone (including really terrible people) don't want people killed. That is why it is often necessary to de-humanize the enemy. We give them labels, make them not worthy of the protections of civil society, and then it is justified if they die. Because they are not people anymore.

That’s just not true. We have nearly an entire human history to prove otherwise. The only reason why we stopped killing each other is due to nuclear bombs.

You should reread he parent comment. I think you agree. It describe the steps as:

1) Dehumanize the enemy

2) Kill/eliminate the inhuman enemy (no longer considered to be people)

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#116

Like probably most people in the discussion here, I think I’m smarter than the average person, and can discern the truth from multiple conflicting claims. But a little introspection shows me that no, this isn’t really true. I’m not hunting down original sources for everything I think I know, I’m mostly relying on gatekeepers (experts) to tell me what is true. Unfortunately, in social media, everybody gets to be an ex…

The thing that makes society work better is accountability, which lets us cooperate at ever larger scales without cheaters. The book "The Reckoning: Financial Accountability and the Rise and Fall of Nations" describes how the advent of double entry accounting meant that you could detect fraud, and suddenly you could do things like give your goods to a naval merchant who will sail away with them and bring you back the money and it works because you can detect any cheating and this is the foundation of capitalism (textbook version). You can think of the arrow of progress as pointing in the direction of increasing accountability . So, the problem with social media is that people lie, always have, and it's like we are just noticing this for the first time ever, and now we are responding to that. Social media is making us more accountable, not less! See #MeToo, etc

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#117
post #34

If that was about reporting what happened at the Capitol I don't think it should've been removed. But if people was asking in Twitter for Pence to be hanged, then yes. We shouldn't treat the same way reporting violence than violence itself.

I don't think I agree. Me tweeting "it's bad to say 'hang mike pence'" is still letting the concept of Mike Pence being hanged propagate. I mean, we're talking about it right now on Hacker News, even! Toxic ideas are like a virus, and even well-meaning opposition can serve as a host, allowing them to spread rapidly rather than die out.

True. Not a great example, but "don't think of an elephant" is a good example of this effect, where someone who otherwise wasn't thinking of elephants, starts thinking of one.

The context of the discussion becomes less relevant if only the phrase trends. The seed gets sown in the mind.

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#118
post #43

I'm glad they halted that. But it reduces the common area we can even discuss anything going on this week in politics. Taking a step back... We've got these two sides. Regardless of the merits, each side believes they know the truth, and that the other side is delusional. And it is easy enough to engage with your media outlets of choice, and get your beliefs reinforced. How can we have a meaningful discussion as a na…

> No set of agreed-upon facts?

This is the core problem. Who do you trust? Fox news or CNN.

The answer for me is I trust no one. They are all liars. I verify for myself. All governance (government, legal, media, military, education, etc) is there to foster a divisive situation as that makes us easier to rule. When people are divided they will not see the plans that are being executed and how they are pawns in a larger game.

You can call it delusional or conspiracy, but there are plans - you can very easily see these on the WEF's website, or read about them in Klaus Schwabb's book. If you don't want to see what is in store for you, what can I say? Switch the news back on, and have a good life.

The truth is that there are a controlling group of people that are entirely unaccountable - governments and voting provide them with a buffer from people - they enact their plans regardless of all that. And further to that, most of us are in an impossible situation that we can do very little about. BLM or MAGA protests - its all the same.

If you want to talk about solutions, the only answers are disengagement from the system. And if you go deep into that, the only answer is disengagement from the legal system. If there is one thing that causes the issues we have, its that we believe we are the legal name that we have a birth certificate of. And on it, it says 'this certificate cannot be used as proof of ID'.

The only law 'they' are happy for us to break, is the one where we use the legal name. You are not the legal name. You may not know who you are, but you are not that..

It is illegal to use the legal name. When we do so, we are acting with dishonour. And that is where our problems begin. And also where they can end.

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#119
post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try to steer people to the media outlets that are still mostly balanced? NPR comes to mind. Or encourage people to read a leftish and a rightish source? And encourage people to think for themselves? It would also be nice, albeit maybe very hard, to encourage even the less balanced media to try to speak to everyone and to write critically and honestly. For example, I personally lean left, but I find the New York Times…

NPR does a good job of presenting the basic facts in their news segments, but their commentary, editorial, and human interest programming is 100% progressive.

Can you give me an example of a story you believe is overtly "progressive"?

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#120
post #23

Why would a Trump supporter want to “hang Mike Pence” when he has been loyal to him for 4 years and just did his constitutional duty on the 6th ? I am lost for words

> just did his constitutional duty on the 6th

That's why. They've been told the election has been stolen and (the classic cult move) that anyone who disagrees with that is a traitor out to get them.

They're Trump supporters. Not broad Republican supporters. It's a personal loyalty cult.

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