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Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by edmundsauto »

umvi wrote: post #47
safog wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You say this after the president of the United States has incited a seditious, violet mob to attack the Capitol because he's a sore loser. There are many examples you can pick if you want to point out bias in media, day before yesterday was not one. For reference, conservative subreddits remain active, Donald Trump is the one that's banned.

> You say this after the president of the United States has incited a seditious, violet mob to attack the Capitol because he's a sore loser. By this logic pro-BLM democrats (including some high level pro-BLM politicians) incited numerous violent mobs over the course of 2020 to attack Seattle and Portland and usurp rule-of-law. But when it happened then the protests were "fiery but mostly peaceful" because "collateral…

You say these things as if they are not facts.

BLM was protesting the injustice of systematic oppression that results in black people bejng murdered by police. 93% of the protests were entirely peaceful. In the other 7%, it is not clear if the violence was instigated by citizens or police.

On the right, you have people who storm the US fucking Capitol building while they are confirming the next POTUS. They were trying to disrupt the federal government. Some of them had zip tie handcuffs and were reportedly looking for VP Pence.

If you cannot see the clear daylight between those two things, and insist on reducing it to “violence on both sides”, then I simply don’t know what to say to you except to please re-examine your humanity as well as your critical thinking skills.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by dragontamer »

fasteddie31003 wrote: post #36

I just checked out http://thedonald.win/ and it has gotten a lot more extreme since it was moved off Reddit. I think it would have not gotten as extreme if it were in the Reddit ecosystem still.

Groups becoming more extreme when they exodus is fine and part of the calculus. The reason to take it off of Reddit is to prevent more followers from joining up with them.

Stormfront is extreme and everyone knows about them. (Literally a white-nationalist website). But without a foothold on Reddit, they lack the ability to gain followers.

When LUE was banned from GameFAQs decades ago, they just formed up their own group (G00Ns, Something Awful, etc. etc.). They were no longer GameFAQ's problem, and GameFAQs no longer had to deal with its members slowly becoming indoctrinated by an group bent on posting pornography on video game forums where children were active. The rest of GameFAQs got better.

Ditto with 4Chan when they kicked the Gamergate people off to 8Chan. 4Chan got better, though the Gamergate dudes grew more extreme.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by Solocomplex »

simonswords82 wrote: post #75
edmundsauto wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kicking them off is advantageous for Reddit because they no longer have to deal with the dramas.

True, but they also sacrifice eyeballs and revenue.

They disabled advertising displayed on those subreddits.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by neogodless »

https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/896/censorship

> In general, sedition is defined as trying to overthrow the government with intent and means to bring it about; the Supreme Court, however, has been divided over what constitutes intent and means.

> These acts made it a federal crime to speak, write, or print criticisms of the government that were false, scandalous, or malicious.

It is frightening to me that so many U.S. citizens get their perception of reality through social media channels; that is to say they get messages that are amplified by algorithm with insufficient regard to refutability (and a requirement of evidence to refute or confirm.)

As someone who cannot visit every single polling place in the country (I visited zero and voted by mail) I cannot with absolute certainty proclaim that there there was no widespread, coordinated and shockingly well-concealed election fraud. As a person of logic and reason and based on multiple sources of information that I consider reputable, I strongly believe this did not take place, and I would need multiple, reputable sources of information and likely trusted peer acceptance before I would change my mind to believe it did.

My way of trying to only accept what I believe to be accurate information will always be imperfect, and, at times, fail me. But I believe it is only shades different from what someone who believes in election fraud does. Their sources include the content of speeches made by the President of the United States, news anchors and journalists of conversatively-biased news, and perhaps most importantly, peers they trust liking and sharing those same speeches and articles with them as a stamp of acceptance.

That's a complex and very human problem that is not readily solved with gut reactions, broad strokes and absolutes.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by gfodor »

Bayart wrote: post #83
gfodor wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same. I've long worried lurking there was going to cause more harm than it's worth (for example, by letting me inadvertently slip into extremism) but the ability to predict what happened this week so easily and warn people about it who considered going was well worth that risk. Also I read there they are losing their SSL cert or something, so that might be how centralized, non-legal authority manages to shut them dow…

>Which, it probably goes without saying, should scare the shit out of anyone who cares about the principles of the free Internet. Service-providers giving the boot to « problematic » users is as far as I know as old as the Internet.

Yes and it's always been contentious, and as the Internet integrates itself more and more into our lives, the questions about which layers of the network stack ought to follow which principles are worth continually focusing on.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by gscott »

staplers wrote: post #71
safog wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You say this after the president of the United States has incited a seditious, violet mob to attack the Capitol because he's a sore loser. There are many examples you can pick if you want to point out bias in media, day before yesterday was not one. For reference, conservative subreddits remain active, Donald Trump is the one that's banned.

Imagine if ISIS had a twitter account or reddit fanpage. How fast would conservatives pass legislation to take it down? If the terrorists are white, they're treated differently.

ISIS had thousands of Twitter accounts and were selling Rohingya underage girls into sex slavery over Facebook.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by one2know »

Incredible how so called "Americans" will drop free speech in a millisecond because it is made by people who are not with their party's OurGuy(TM).

I recognize Reddit is under extreme foreign pressure having received and operating on $300MM from the chinese communist party.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by [deleted] »

[deleted] wrote: post #104
toomuchtodo wrote: post #41

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What other options do you have if you can't educate or have intellectual discourse with people who are fabricating reality or deeply believe in conspiracy theories? It's like trying to pull someone out of a cult like Scientology. Of course, attempt to engage to improve the situation and help someone obtain ground truth on their own from legitimate information sources, but when it's obviously hopeless insulate yoursel…

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Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by netsharc »

slg wrote: post #13

The cynic in me can't help but notice that all these platforms are suddenly growing a backbone now that we know Democrats will control both the executive and legislative branches.

I'd rather think these platforms suddenly realize the keyboard warriors they've been entertaining (as in, hosting) on their platforms are actually capable of carrying out brutal violence...

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by rat87 »

umvi wrote: post #98
gfodor wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same. I've long worried lurking there was going to cause more harm than it's worth (for example, by letting me inadvertently slip into extremism) but the ability to predict what happened this week so easily and warn people about it who considered going was well worth that risk. Also I read there they are losing their SSL cert or something, so that might be how centralized, non-legal authority manages to shut them dow…

> Which, it probably goes without saying, should scare the shit out of anyone who cares about the principles of the free Internet Big tech companies are largely left-leaning internally (which isn't surprising since California is the most left leaning state), so there is nothing to fear as long as you lean left yourself, (i.e. I guarantee you won't be censored for left-leaning speech any time soon).

That is definitely not true
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