Live data from Hacker News

Europe: close to power grid blackout (49,74Hz power line frequency)

twitter.com

111–120 of 146 posts

Re: Europe: close to power grid blackout (49,74Hz power line frequency)

#111

Google translate of the first tweet (in German): > Extreme nightcap in the #network frequency. Quite unusual at this height and at this point in time. One of my measuring devices even shows 49.74Hz as a minimum. Has a major #power plant failed somewhere? And second tweet: >Here is another representation of the # mains frequency from just now. Extremely unusual, as a malfunction is to be suspected. Unfortunately, none…

There's a translate tweet button right on twitter, isn't there?

Re: Europe: close to power grid blackout (49,74Hz power line frequency)

#112
post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would be politically inconvenient.

No, that would be using solar as a scapegoat for bad planning.

central planning = bad planning

If central planners didn't subsidize renewables there wouldn't be as many problems.

Re: Europe: close to power grid blackout (49,74Hz power line frequency)

#113

Without really understanding much what is going on, this seems to be related: "System split registered in the synchronous area of Continental Europe – Incident now resolved" https://www.entsoe.eu/news/2021/01/08/system-split-registere...

From https://www.electricitymap.org/zone/RO it seems there was a drop in hydropower ~1GW around that time in Romania.

Re: Europe: close to power grid blackout (49,74Hz power line frequency)

#114
post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would be politically inconvenient.

No, that would be using solar as a scapegoat for bad planning.

What do you mean by bad planning. Are you talking about planning that is flexible and responsive to pick up the slack. For example, a high demand day that is cloudy and not windy?

Re: Europe: close to power grid blackout (49,74Hz power line frequency)

#115
post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want to get rooftop solar and a battery pack for my house. But I really don't want to a lithium battery attached to my house. I feel like there'd be a good business in selling battery 'space' in a big fire proof box down the street that I could then offset my meter against. Wouldn't even need to be in my street if I could get the offset.

Why does it have to be lithium technology? The reason electric cars use it is because of energy density (weight savings). For home use, weight is completely irrelevant. You could use much safer lead acid batteries (sealed/AGM) and rig your own inverter setup. This is also a lot easier to maintain over time, as you can scale up/down and swap individual batteries as required.

Certainly doesn't have to be lithium. But for frequent cycling, lead acid is more expensive. Lead acid also requires occasional maintenance to keep the acid levels topped up.

But if you want to rig you leave own setup with lithium ion, scaling up and down with smallish individual battery units over time, those are available for sale. The list prices I've seen are pretty high, about $700/kWh, however. An integrated unit can be cheaper. And as lithium ion battery prices plummet over the next two years, and factories scale, the home storage market will hopefully start to get access to $300/kWh products or cheaper.

Re: Europe: close to power grid blackout (49,74Hz power line frequency)

#116
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

High voltage fluctuations today. Instead of 220V we got down to ~165V. Internet outages on top (I assume some hardware failed since multiple counties were affected on the RDS network). Edit. Here's a power graphic: https://www.transelectrica.ro/widget/web/tel/sen-grafic/-/SE... Seems Romanias production fell under the consumption at around 15:30 Water fell at that time, so maybe some hydro was shut down? We did have…

> Seems Romanias production fell under the consumption at around 15:30 But the incident started at 15:05, that was just a consequence of interconnects failing i think.

https://www.entsoe.eu/news/2021/01/08/system-split-registere... related timing, its probably linked.

Re: Europe: close to power grid blackout (49,74Hz power line frequency)

#117
post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It should at least be heat pumps...

heat pump are highly inefficient if outside temp gets below ~5 degC and that's what happening right now on most of Europe ( incl. southern europe, I saw spain mentionned here ... )

Most heat pumps in the US have emergency heating that’s basically the same as electric. I believe even my gas furnace has an electric backup.

It should be the same in Europe and it will work in case the temp drops too low.

Re: Europe: close to power grid blackout (49,74Hz power line frequency)

#118
post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do people really keep their vehicles for decades?

It doesn't really matter if people keep their vehicle for decades, because people usually sell their old vehicles for use by others when they get a new (to them) vehicle. What you want to know is the average life of a vehicle (or average age of the fleet), not the average period of ownership. I'm sure that varies by country; IIRC Germany has punative taxes on registering old cars, so their average age should be a lot…

The average age of operating automobiles in use within the US is closer to 12 years. The registration fee (annual renewal, not initial registration) in the US is based on vehicle value in 8 states by my count.

On a personal note, me and most of the people I know think more in terms of miles than years. I figure every car I buy is good for 200,000 miles and most of the brands I favor have another 100,000 miles of life beyond that before repairs exceed some loosely calculated rate of return.

Re: Europe: close to power grid blackout (49,74Hz power line frequency)

#119
post #111

Google translate of the first tweet (in German): > Extreme nightcap in the #network frequency. Quite unusual at this height and at this point in time. One of my measuring devices even shows 49.74Hz as a minimum. Has a major #power plant failed somewhere? And second tweet: >Here is another representation of the # mains frequency from just now. Extremely unusual, as a malfunction is to be suspected. Unfortunately, none…

There's a translate tweet button right on twitter, isn't there?

I do not have the option on Safari in iOS.

Re: Europe: close to power grid blackout (49,74Hz power line frequency)

#120
post #14

Romanian news are screaming about several counties (like 1/5 of RO) being blacked out and this being a problem at the interconnection with the neighboring power grids. From the little I know about power lines, events like this can cascade to half a continent.

FYI, in English, "news" is singular, e.g. "I saw a politician shouting on the news", so it should be "Romanian news is" (and I think it should also have a "the").

I know this makes no sense and in other languages "news" has both singular and plural but that's English for you.

Post reply on HN