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Over 100 Scientists and Doctors Call for Increased Vitamin D to Combat Covid-19

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Re: Over 100 Scientists and Doctors Call for Increased Vitamin D to Combat Covid-19

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AshWolfy wrote: post #40
irq11 wrote: post #22

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The open letter for face masks is a great example for why this kind of thing is dubious. All prior high-quality evidence disputed the claim: https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/podcasts-webinars/specia... The subsequent evidence of real-world effectiveness isn’t great: cases are skyrocketing around the northern hemisphere, and mask mandates aren’t making a difference. The only randomized controlled trial ever conduct…

Science is built on consensus Also the fact that mask mandates are poorly enforced, or that masks arent a replacement for other forms of prevention, or that some materials dont offer the same level of prevention dont change the fact that masks work

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Re: Over 100 Scientists and Doctors Call for Increased Vitamin D to Combat Covid-19

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Post by kpfleger »

dasudasu wrote: post #53
shitgoose wrote: post #51

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The recommendation is 5,000 to 10,000 iu. 1,000 is what the label on the bottle says.

According to whom? NIH says 600 IU for a normal adult ( https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/VitaminD-HealthProfessiona... ) and recommends a maximum daily intake of 4000 IU ( https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/VitaminD-Consumer/ ).

Did you read the open letter (original link of thread)? There is an entire paragraph and footnote with 2 refs talking about the problem with the current government guidelines.

Re: Over 100 Scientists and Doctors Call for Increased Vitamin D to Combat Covid-19

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Post by kpfleger »

tasogare wrote: post #13
mark-r wrote: post #7

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The HN crowd is fascinated by simple but effective "hacks". This appears to be one.

Do we have an idea of low the death rate of covid is when the vitamin D deficiency is fixed?

Just how much lower it would get cannot be discerned from available data yet. It is very hard to believe from current data that it would go all the way to zero and also very hard to believe that fixing all vitamin D deficiency would not save any lives. The confidence interval range in between is still large, but it is absolutely (past) time to act on the data because it is so unlikely to not help (or even not help a lot). And the data is so far consistent with the possibility that it could help so much that it would have reduced the pandemic to no worse than prior flu seasons had everyone's vitamin D been brought up above 30ng/ml before SARS-CoV-2 arrived.

Re: Over 100 Scientists and Doctors Call for Increased Vitamin D to Combat Covid-19

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

irq11 wrote: post #99
joshuamorton wrote: post #79

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> So your theory is that masks worked then, but stopped working now? This doesn't follow. It's completely believable that masks have continued to be effective at curbing spread by 40% continuously. However increased holiday travel, as well as colder weather and people hanging out more in doors caused an increase in spread that wasn't present in the summer.

So let me summarize: Cases go down after mask mandate: proof that masks work! Cases go up after mask mandate: masks still work! This isn’t science.

What isn't science, is every internet genius that can divide one number by another, or compare two numbers but ignore everything about the context, is suddenly a self-proclaimed expert.

Here's a notion. Listen to real experts, and do what they advise. Instead of spinning yourself up and posting nonsense.

Re: Over 100 Scientists and Doctors Call for Increased Vitamin D to Combat Covid-19

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Post by sizzle »

kpfleger wrote: post #110
sizzle wrote: post #109

How credible is vitaminforall.org? Never heard of it...

The site itself was set up (by me) just to host this open letter, just as the site masks4all.co was set up to host the similar open letter that happened for masks in the spring. The credibility isn't of the site itself but of the signatories of the site, which are listed plainly (with any conflicts of interest). Look through the list yourself to judge their credibility.

Thanks for the explanation, I'll look into the sources which you cited so the credibility was very apparent, just not the domain which you've cleared up for me.

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Post by kurthr »

waterhouse wrote: post #29
kurthr wrote: post #18

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I'm not sure what aspect of the "mask wearing" you doubt, but I don't have much doubt in the germ theory of disease, and I've been suggesting wearing a mask since Feb, because it works against just about every communicable respiratory disease from bacteria to virus (or pollen or asbestos). I'd recommend eye protection for COVID as well, because the eyes (along with the lungs) appear to be a higher risk aerosol entry…

Then you were ahead of the WHO, which, according to an article from March 30: https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/30/world/coronavirus-who-masks-r... "(CNN) World Health Organization officials Monday said they still recommend people not wear face masks unless they are sick with Covid-19 or caring for someone who is sick. "There is no specific evidence to suggest that the wearing of masks by the mass population has any potent…

The point is that half of all carriers and many of the superspreaders are "asymptomatic" as far as they are concerned so how would you know if you were sick to protect others or yourself. That article sounded fairly idiotic then and still does now. Would you want your surgeon operating on you without a mask? Why not? Should they wash their hands, if they think they're clean?

This is a recent paper on masks... https://www.cell.com/med/fulltext/S2666-6340(20)30072-6

Re: Over 100 Scientists and Doctors Call for Increased Vitamin D to Combat Covid-19

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Post by jiofih »

irq11 wrote: post #102
jiofih wrote: post #95

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No, the one from Jena was a controlled study, and they tried to exclude any biases like neighboring cities. It’s “synthetic” because you can’t create two equal cities and population to test, unfortunately. Again, did you actually open and read the link? It’s pointless to discuss your feelings in place of the studies. You’re dismissing all of the data in that report based on.. what? Again, the increase in total cases…

It’s a “synthetic control” because they didn’t actually have a control group. So they tried to pretend their was such a group by taking data from elsewhere. Yes, I read the paper.

How else do you propose a control group for an entire city, other than looking at other cities in the same region? Have you done research like this before?

Re: Over 100 Scientists and Doctors Call for Increased Vitamin D to Combat Covid-19

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Post by shock »

SOLAR_FIELDS wrote: post #73
dasudasu wrote: post #53

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According to whom? NIH says 600 IU for a normal adult ( https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/VitaminD-HealthProfessiona... ) and recommends a maximum daily intake of 4000 IU ( https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/VitaminD-Consumer/ ).

My doctor specifically prescribes 5000 IU as a maintenance dose and 15000 IU to people severely deficient. These are numbers he got from treating hundreds of deficient patients and testing his patients blood levels every 6 months. I imagine a lot less is needed if you are in the sun for a good portion of the day every day but for most of us who spend a decent amount of time inside it seems to be what’s necessary.

My experience correlates with your doctor's: I had to take more than 5000 IUs per day for about 3 months to reach the bottom of the normal range for 25-OH-vit D.
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