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Erdoğan’s censorship now targeting media outlets in Europe

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Re: Erdoğan’s censorship now targeting media outlets in Europe

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systemvoltage wrote: post #14
Tomte wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, because the EU's refugee deal with Turkey is paramount. Without it there are more refugees in Germany (and other "core" EU countries), and the tense political atmosphere tips over.

Why aren't neighboring countries like Saudi Arabia, UAE, Iran, Ethiopia, etc. taking in 100% of the refugees? Can someone shed some light about refugee situation around NATO/EU? While humanitarian aspects must be taken care of, I only see refugee situation in Germany as a negative thing. It brings nothing to the country, and in fact brings other nonsense such as religious fundamentalism. These people are not going to…

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Post by pjc50 »

dustysilicon wrote: post #78
Aduket wrote: post #57

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Turk here. i doubt it. Average education level of turkish people is around 8th grade. He controls all the mainstream media, and preachers in the mosques. What remains as a free ground to spread the criticic voice is internet, which has been partially censored up to now and is going to be heavily suppressed as of 2021. And social media will no longer be a safe place for criticizing Erdogan, unless utilizing secure VPN…

> Think about republican voters and how fanatic they have become under Trump's rule in mere four years. Fanatics? Is that how you refer to different political views? If so, we are all fanatics.

Erdogan is just a different political view. /s

Re: Erdoğan’s censorship now targeting media outlets in Europe

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Post by pjc50 »

alisonatwork wrote: post #103
Aduket wrote: post #65

Atheist turk here, this youtube channel is the largest social media channel of gulen religious sect/terror group, which tried to topple erdogan in 2016. Despite hating Erdogan to my guts, i can assure you that this gulenist movement/terror group is a bigger threat to secularism and democracy in turkey and world alike.

I find this to be one of the most insidious side-effects of press censorship under authoritarian regimes - it seems to create an ecosystem of resistance media that is just as biased as the government propaganda. A similar thing happens with China through stuff like Epoch Times or Guo Wengui's channel. The outlets that position themselves as strong opposition to the regime are themselves untrustworthy sources, which i…

Yeah, this was a serious problem in Egypt where the post-Arab Spring elected goverment was less liberal than the military dictatorship.

Re: Erdoğan’s censorship now targeting media outlets in Europe

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Post by tw-turkey »

cblconfederate wrote: post #9
Alupis wrote: post #5

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Erdogan has been a loose canon for a long time, and I suspect is only tolerated because of Turkey's precarious NATO membership.

- He does the US's bidding in the region , countering russia in Syria, Libya, and Nagorno-karabakh without the US having to take blame for it - He does Germany's bidding by countering French interventionism in Libya / eastmed without Germany having to take blame for it

please do not try. they only point fingers and guess what, always someone else. turkey has no real power. turkey does what nato says and it doesn't matter who is the the leader. today is erdogan/akp tomorow is the most leftist party on the planet but they do nato's bidding. oh on another news, iran is again trying to bomb usa and biden is going to solve it as soon as he got the military control!

mind you, people on this site are not delusional, it is not like they don't have any idea how world works, they just do not give a fuck. do you want to know what real censorship is? who is noam chomsky and why you haven't seen him on every tv channel every podcast every newspaper? it is easy to censor when you have the entire media and holywood in your pocket. erdogan is a nobody. just another scary name.

asil soru; neden hala bu foseptik cukurunda zeka ve insanlik ariyorum.

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Post by kwhitefoot »

psKama wrote: post #73
DanielBMarkham wrote: post #40

This is a very tricky situation. Two things come to mind. 1. Turkey wants a fight. I keep up on reading the western commentary and analysis about the region (Not the mainstream crap), and it's apparent to me that deeply-entrenched forces in Turkey want a fight. Our strategy so far is to do the best we can to ignore/placate them. I'm not sure how long that continues to work. 2. From time-to-time, we talk on HN about t…

I don't believe HN is the right place to engage in political discussions but I need to clarify couple of points. > Turkey wants a fight. You need to make clear references about what and who you refer to when you say "Turkey". Even with a totally oppressed media and everything else, Erdogan's support in Turkey is in the band of 30-40%. Majority of Turkish citizens are not happy with him. Western world keeps doing the…

> I don't believe HN is the right place to engage in political discussions

Why? Surely politics falls under the 'anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity.' rule.

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Post by cblconfederate »

Aduket wrote: post #65

Atheist turk here, this youtube channel is the largest social media channel of gulen religious sect/terror group, which tried to topple erdogan in 2016. Despite hating Erdogan to my guts, i can assure you that this gulenist movement/terror group is a bigger threat to secularism and democracy in turkey and world alike.

that's why you need open media, so all sides can be heard, and frankly exposed for what they are

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Post by joeyo »

bzb6 wrote: post #61
kingofpandora wrote: post #46

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Different countries ... with a common heritage.

Greeks are Christians, Turks are Muslims. For starters.

That's a bit of a tautology because the population exchange was done on the basis of religion, not language. There were plenty of Greek speaking muslims and Turkish speaking orthodox christians before 1915.

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Post by YinLuck- »

Turkey has the misfortune of having its English-speaking jet set tilting so heavily in one political direction. Because of this, all the international community hears about/from Turkey is that the sky is falling due to Erdogan... It takes a keen reader to realize that these same English speaking Turks have been screaming about the sky falling for the past 17 years...

Full disclosure: I support Erdogan and I readily compare him to other "so-called" dictators like Orban in Hungary. I highlight "so-called" because these "dictators" routinely win their elections and are otherwise constrained by rival political factions. For example: Erdogan's recent shift to an aggressive foreign policy is not due to the swinging moods of a dictator, but his alliance with a smaller far-right parliamentary party whose votes he needs to keep his ruling coalition.

Turkish democracy is weak, it always has been. Prior to Erdogan Turkish democracy wasn't Norway. It was more like Egypt. As imperfect as it is now, I can only think of Israel as having a more functional system in our region.

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Post by YinLuck- »

goda90 wrote: post #72
Aduket wrote: post #65

Atheist turk here, this youtube channel is the largest social media channel of gulen religious sect/terror group, which tried to topple erdogan in 2016. Despite hating Erdogan to my guts, i can assure you that this gulenist movement/terror group is a bigger threat to secularism and democracy in turkey and world alike.

There's a lot of doubt internationally that Gulen was behind the coup attempt. And there are some that believe it was a false flag operation to allow Erdogan to solidify his power.

There's a lot of doubt internationally whether the Earth is flat or round...

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Post by threesmegiste »

boraoztunc wrote: post #96

OK I will try to explain really what's going on and how it feels to live in Turkey, and try my best to keep this as objective as possible, besides my personal opinions. First of all, democracy is not happening, at all. If you have any opposite thoughts, yes thoughts, not actions, you can face real jail time. This can be a comment on Twitter, or even something you say in your neighbourhood, around friends, anything an…

Turkey first blocked youtube for insulting videos about Atatürk.
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