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Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by scoopertrooper »

eloff wrote: post #95
scoopertrooper wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But this device wasn't built for use cases where power consumption doesn't matter. The M1 MacPro will give us a sense for how the M* design scales to those sorts of workloads.

I care how it compares to other products on the market for my use case. It doesn't matter what it's built for. This is a relevant comparison from that perspective.

That's cool, you shouldn't buy one if you care about portability. I personally love not being tethered to my desk, so I haven't really owned a desktop in a decade. The M1 for me was just so perfect I had to jump out and buy one!

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by systemvoltage »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #10

Thanks for sharing some programming-centric benchmarks using modern CPUs. I always wish that CPU reviewers would stop churning out pages of graphs with synthetic benchmark workloads and instead post things that actually matter, like compile times and other programming benchmarks. The M1 processor is extremely impressive for the price and power envelope. However, I'm noticing a lot of people have taken Apple's marketi…

Not everyone is a programmer though. Synthetic benchmarks don't just compute prime number or run mandelbrots. They test things like video compression, image processing, zip compression and decompression, etc. - things that most people do.

> Geekbench 5 measures the performance of your device by performing tests that are representative of real-world tasks and applications.

http://support.primatelabs.com/kb/geekbench/interpreting-gee...

I'd rather rely on Geekbench score than some programmer's compilation pipeline. Not saying programming benchmarks aren't important. Just that you cannot blame the reviewers testing comprehensively because your use case is specific.

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by reader_mode »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #23
echlebek wrote: post #17

This isn't an apples to apples comparison like the author says, because the package power (37W) of the Ryzen is still quite a bit higher than the M1's. You can see it right there in the graph from Anandtech. The 5800X is a beast of a CPU. The IPC improvements over the previous generation really are incredible. It's not surprising to me at all that it beats the M1 in several benchmarks. However, it's not the same clas…

In the real world, there aren't many people making purchasing decision between an M1 Apple laptop or Mac Mini and an AMD 5800X desktop machine anyway. Still interesting to see the comparisons. The leaked Geekbench results of AMD's upcoming 5800H laptop parts are about 85% of the M1's single core score and matching the M1's multi-core score. TDP is still higher than the M1, obviously, but AMD is also using a 7nm proce…

> In the real world, there aren't many people making purchasing decision between an M1 Apple laptop or Mac Mini and an AMD 5800X desktop machine anyway

I have a 15 inch 2018 i9 MBP that's objectively a terrible device (throttling/keyboard).

With corona and WFH I'm weighing my options - right now everything is out of stock but early next year I'd be interested in building a desktop. My problem is the M1 is so good that if they do a 8 performance cores version for 16 inch MBP in spring there would literally be no point in having a desktop - I could have a single device that outperforms the desktop machine. Frankly I don't see why they couldn't offer a 13 inch varian with more cores - thermals are not a constraint.

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by reader_mode »

viraptor wrote: post #36
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the real world, there aren't many people making purchasing decision between an M1 Apple laptop or Mac Mini and an AMD 5800X desktop machine anyway. Still interesting to see the comparisons. The leaked Geekbench results of AMD's upcoming 5800H laptop parts are about 85% of the M1's single core score and matching the M1's multi-core score. TDP is still higher than the M1, obviously, but AMD is also using a 7nm proce…

Some are making a "desktop with cheaper terminal laptop -vs- pro laptop" choice though. And in that case the comparison may matter.

Thing is M1 air is cheap for the quality/performance so you could probably get both.

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by ben-schaaf »

jsjohnst wrote: post #101
sliken wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but only the zen 2 flavor which is significantly slower per core. The M1 competitor with similar thermals, close IPC per core, and on board GPU is widly rumored to be announced in Jan at CES.

> The M1 competitor with similar thermals, close IPC per core, and on board GPU is widly rumored to be announced in Jan at CES. Ok, so what you’re saying is that AMD is wildly rumored to have a processor that you might be able to find as an option on a niche (term not used in a negative sense) brand laptop in Summer 2021 that directly competes with Apple’s M1 processor available in Fall 2020 on their highest sold mod…

If by "AMD is wildly rumored to have a processor" you mean it's been leaked and benchmarked multiple times, then sure: https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Ryzen-7-5800H-shows-decent...

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by whatever1 »

systemvoltage wrote: post #112
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #10

Thanks for sharing some programming-centric benchmarks using modern CPUs. I always wish that CPU reviewers would stop churning out pages of graphs with synthetic benchmark workloads and instead post things that actually matter, like compile times and other programming benchmarks. The M1 processor is extremely impressive for the price and power envelope. However, I'm noticing a lot of people have taken Apple's marketi…

Not everyone is a programmer though. Synthetic benchmarks don't just compute prime number or run mandelbrots. They test things like video compression, image processing, zip compression and decompression, etc. - things that most people do. > Geekbench 5 measures the performance of your device by performing tests that are representative of real-world tasks and applications. http://support.primatelabs.com/kb/geekbench/i…

And CPU/GPU companies have been caught multiple times in the past optimizing for these particular benchmarks. To the point where if you changed the name of the executable, the performance would drop significantly.

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by sliken »

jsjohnst wrote: post #101
sliken wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but only the zen 2 flavor which is significantly slower per core. The M1 competitor with similar thermals, close IPC per core, and on board GPU is widly rumored to be announced in Jan at CES.

> The M1 competitor with similar thermals, close IPC per core, and on board GPU is widly rumored to be announced in Jan at CES. Ok, so what you’re saying is that AMD is wildly rumored to have a processor that you might be able to find as an option on a niche (term not used in a negative sense) brand laptop in Summer 2021 that directly competes with Apple’s M1 processor available in Fall 2020 on their highest sold mod…

Have you looked at the laptop market lately? AMD has had quite a few design wins. Brands like Lenovo (including the Thinkpad, flex, and legion), HP (pavilion), Dell (including inspiron, gaming, and Alienware lines), Asus (Studiobooks, zenbooks, TUF, and ROG), Acer Aspire, and MSI, and the Microsoft Surface.

I wouldn't call all of those "niche". AMD has made a surprisingly quick move from the bargain basement laptops to the Thinkpad and Microsoft Surface lines in a single generation.

The nice thing is the new chips are pin compatible, so every current design win should move over to the new chips quickly. In fact half of the Ryzen 5000 laptop chips are renamed and slightly tweaked zen 2 chips from the previous gen. Based on the number of leaks, benchmarks, photos, etc it seems like the channel might well be full.

So I'm comparing laptops available in Nov (although people I know couldn't get theirs till Dec) to laptops I expect to be available in Feb, but that's speculative of course. Even the previous gen (zen 2) APUs are getting similar write ups to the M1. Things like benchmarking against the I9-9980KH and i7-1075H and winning. The zen3 is quite a bump vs the zen2 so I'm optimistic it will go well.

I'm hoping to get a few, maybe a mac mini like widget and another for a NAS. I don't expect them to crush a M1, but to be reasonably competitive, and while I contributed to the patreon to get linux on the M1, I expect the Zen 3 chips to have much better linux support.

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by zamalek »

> RAM: 64 GB DDR4 overclocked to 3733 MHz, stress testing 24 hours stable

OP, it may be worth downclocking the RAM to 3600MHz (while tightening timings) unless you have a golden chip with >1800MHz Infinity Fabric. Decoupling IF and memory speed can cause huge latency (90ns on my 3950x).

Obviously you want a baseline and benchmark from there, but you clearly know what you are doing.

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by User23 »

whatever1 wrote: post #116
systemvoltage wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not everyone is a programmer though. Synthetic benchmarks don't just compute prime number or run mandelbrots. They test things like video compression, image processing, zip compression and decompression, etc. - things that most people do. > Geekbench 5 measures the performance of your device by performing tests that are representative of real-world tasks and applications. http://support.primatelabs.com/kb/geekbench/i…

And CPU/GPU companies have been caught multiple times in the past optimizing for these particular benchmarks. To the point where if you changed the name of the executable, the performance would drop significantly.

Ah yes the classic Quack.exe[1].

[1] https://techreport.com/review/3089/how-atis-drivers-optimize...

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by KSS42 »

kuschku wrote: post #103
iseanstevens wrote: post #97

I come away from this way more impressed by the M1 than I was going in. It's a comparison of a ~$700 stock, low end full computer Vs. $700 for high end CPU only. And the high end CPU has overclocking tweaks enabled, and overclocked memory. The M1 generally keeps up quite well, which blows my mind. The power use difference Is pretty big as well. Yeah, it would be great if Apple was totally open source. But this is goi…

The M1 also has overclocked memory (by spec, DDR4 only supports 3200MHz), and the 5800X isn't a 700$ CPU, actually it's at 450$ (and it will fall even further soon, I bought a 3900x recently for below 400$).

M1 uses LPDDR4X at 4267MHz. It is not overclocked.
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