So who decides what is true/accurate? Is this action just related to the current election or will this extend to other "fake news" and elections in other countries? Covid news comes to mind.
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YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud
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#112YouTube staff is a gang of bullies, and they are pushing our country toward civil war. “The First Amendment is first for a reason. Second Amendment is just in case the First one doesn’t work out.” - Dave Chappelle
How is the First Amendment in any way related to YouTube?
The first amendment talks about freedom of expression. The parent comment was saying that it was first for a reason i.e. because freedom of expression is important.
Freedom of expression is relevant to Youtube because Youtube is a platform for expression.
Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud
#113'do not be evil' was thrown away by google a few years ago.
it's a shame high tech now acts as the censorship government.
too big to be neutral? time to change the law.
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#114For God's sakes ... What underpins this need for social media companies to virtue signal about protecting 'election integrity' is the false notion that 2016 was stolen from Hillary by the Russians - a claim that had no evidential support (and no, that some trolls bought a minuscule amount of Facebook ads does not raise this claim to that level) but the entire Democratic party, with media allies, promulgated for the l…
The problem is not just that the Russians tried to interfere with our election. It's that President Trump openly invited their illegal meddling and likely conspired with them and then tried to drop sanctions on then after the election
There was an investigation taking years and several million dollars that was politically motivated to prove that was true. The investigation couldn't prove it.
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#115This is an enormous overreach. > Given that, we will start removing any piece of content uploaded today (or anytime after) that misleads people by alleging that widespread fraud or errors changed the outcome of the 2020 U.S. Presidential election, in line with our approach towards historical U.S. Presidential elections. For example, we will remove videos claiming that a Presidential candidate won the election due to…
These claims are being slaughtered in ongoing court cases, and many of them are objectively batshit, like the guy who filed an affidavit about being prevented from observing vote counts because he drove to the wrong location, or the woman, central to the Texas suit against PA and MI, who claims the Obamas "funded the Wuhan lab where coronavirus was made". It is not the case that Google has to provide space for a clai…
As a matter of principle, do you believe Google staff (or their outsourced contractors) can and should pre-judge the outcomes of US court cases? I ask about principles because it's very easy to focus on the specific details of these particular cases, and the fact it's your political enemy pursuing them. But that may not be true next time, and certainly won't be true every time.
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#116Regardless of what you believe to be 'The Truth', has suppression or censorship ever worked to quench dissonance or convince skeptical people, again, whether right or wrong, that there really is 'nothing to see here'.
Yes, it has, to a degree. C.f. Alex Jones, Milo Yiannopoulos, etc. (These voices became much less prominent after their deplatforming.) There's also a deontological argument to be made for banning dangerous falsehoods on one's platform.
It also worked in China when scientists were trying to get word of the virus out in January. Fooled most of the western media.
Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud
#117Regardless of what you believe to be 'The Truth', has suppression or censorship ever worked to quench dissonance or convince skeptical people, again, whether right or wrong, that there really is 'nothing to see here'.
No, but it keeps it from spreading to other people and becoming part of the social consciousness.
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#118Youtube et al can do what they want, but..
tech has gambled its entire good will on an impossible fight basically guaranteeing further stratification and divide. It is a bad move. It already backfired hard once during Hunter coverage, but this will only make it worse.
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#119So who decides what is true/accurate? Is this action just related to the current election or will this extend to other "fake news" and elections in other countries? Covid news comes to mind.
The courts do? And so far they haven't produced any evidence and they get flung out of every court.
On COVID, every country on the planet agrees. The scientists have spoken. The guy who thinks the royal family are lizards should not be considered even remotely reliable.
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#120If Google wanted to be responsible they would remove videos covering the election in any way. If there had actually been widespread fraud is this something we would want Google doing? They have said themselves that they intend to manipulate elections in the US and this is exactly how they would do it.
> They have said themselves that they intend to manipulate elections
Source please. That's a bold statement.