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Why is the Google Cloud UI so slow?

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Re: Why is the Google Cloud UI so slow?

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Post by pimlottc »

The G Suite (now Google Workplace) admin console GUI is also pretty slow. What makes it worse is that you have no other choice - it's the only complete tool for administrating G Suite. There are APIs for some things, but quite a lot is only available in the GUI, and new features always show up there first (if they ever make it to the API at all).

There isn't even a way to import/export settings, so you have to painstakingly document everything and reconfigure it manually if you need to create a new instance. It makes things pretty painful from a compliance point of view.

Re: Why is the Google Cloud UI so slow?

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Post by jmarcher »

the_duke wrote: post #87
gravypod wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cloud service providers aren't really optimizing for the same thing that the average website is optimizing for. They're attempting to maximize their velocity, maximize their API stability, and make programmatic usage of their system as easy as possible. GCP's UI? Yea it's pretty bad. GCP's terraform provider? It's really slick. Probably the best one of the bunch (Azure, AWS, Oracle, OVH, ...).

I thought Terraform provider was developed/maintained by Hashicorp, not Google. Are Google employees actively involved? I also did encounter annoying issues (which have slowly been getting better though). I guess it might speak to a solid, if somewhat slow, API.

My understanding is that it is actively maintained by GCP employees, but yes Hashicorp owns the repo.

Re: Why is the Google Cloud UI so slow?

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Post by rhencke »

alisonkisk wrote: post #73
Fiveplus wrote: post #35

Can a googler chime in to explain why Gmail is so slow at loading even on the most robust PCs with high speed internet?

Because you are supposed to load it once and keep it forever. Loading a web app is like installing a software program.

What about web apps like https://sr.ht which are fully loaded and usable from a cold visit in under half a second with only 2 network requests?

Re: Why is the Google Cloud UI so slow?

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Post by midrus »

rorykoehler wrote: post #57
midrus wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've worked for many companies, small and large, corporate and startups. None of them had performance as a priority, or even considered at the product level. Any minimal performance optimization or win we had was because a developer cared enough for it.... but maybe I'm the only one and just had bad luck with the product managers/owners I had.

We definitely promote performance as a primary (and a half) concern. Mainly because the alternative is throwing more money at servers and/or dealing with disgruntled customers. I wish we dedicated more resources to it but we also don't ignore it.

Oh! yes... certainly that was mi experience too. I was referring to frontend... where you won't pay for the performance, but your users will (by having to upgrade their compures and/or just suffering it)

Re: Why is the Google Cloud UI so slow?

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Post by Traubenfuchs »

I think the answer is: This is the best the richest and best companies in the world, with their best paid 100x rockstar developers can do. Google is literally both the creator of the browser (Chrome), the framework (Angular) and the web-app (GCP) we use and still, this mess is the best they can give us. They have direct access to the creators of Chrome and Angular, in some sense they are the owners of the internet and the owners of the way we access the internet.

And yet, that's the best they can do. It's just that hard and impossible to get it right. Sorry guys!

Re: Why is the Google Cloud UI so slow?

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Post by brainzap »

_Microft wrote: post #15

User to Dev: the memory usage is excessive. Dev with 256 GB RAM to User: WFM I would not be surprised if a lot of these problems could be traced back to developers having above-average network connections and super beefy computers. Combine that with fresh or minimal installs while testing the software, without lots of data that accumulated over month or years of use and in consequence they experience their products a…

Thats so true, devs also should try out a 5 year old phone and a slower ISP.

Re: Why is the Google Cloud UI so slow?

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Post by ffhhj »

ubercow13 wrote: post #33
_Microft wrote: post #15

User to Dev: the memory usage is excessive. Dev with 256 GB RAM to User: WFM I would not be surprised if a lot of these problems could be traced back to developers having above-average network connections and super beefy computers. Combine that with fresh or minimal installs while testing the software, without lots of data that accumulated over month or years of use and in consequence they experience their products a…

I don't think it is just that. Google is just shockingly bad at web frontend. All their properties are terrible, except maybe Youtube which I find quite agreeable. For example I just made a search on google.com, the most popular website in the world, and it can't even fit the content into this reasonably sized window [1]. [1] https://i.imgur.com/ER5yfbd.png

Youtube UI/UX is horrible, try moving items in a long playlist, it takes forever to drag scrolling. Imagine a search engine company that doesn't have a quick search inside a playlist. And you need browser extensions like Youtube HD to fix several issues. It has been this way for years.
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